ADM Packaging Automation Pty Ltd v EST Group Pty Ltd [2022] NSWCATAP 322
Catchwords: CONSUMER CLAIM – application of the A ustralian C onsumer Law – breach of consumer guarantees - whether Tri bunal decision was against the weight of evidence – leave to appeal refused
Civil and Administrative Tribunal
New South Wales
Medium Neutral Citation:
ADM Packaging Automation Pty Ltd v EST Group Pty Ltd [2022] NSWCATAP 322
Hearing dates:
19 September 2022
Date of orders:
12 October 2022
Decision date:
11 October 2022
Jurisdiction:
Appeal Panel
Before:
The Hon D A Cowdroy, AO KC, Principal Member
D G Charles, Senior Member
Decision:
1.
Pursuant to s 41 of the Civil and Administrative Tribunal Act 2013 NSW, extend the time for the lodgement of this appeal to
20 July 2022.
2.
Leave to appeal refused.
3.
Appeal dismissed.
Catchwords:
CONSUMER
CLAIM
–
application of the
A ustralian
C onsumer
Law
–
breach of consumer guarantees - whether
Tri bunal decision was against the
weight of evidence – leave to appeal refused
Legislation Cited:
Civil and Administrative Tribunal Act 2013
(NSW)
Fair Trading Act 1987
(NSW)
Competition and Consumer
Act 2010 ( Cwth)
Civil and Administrative Tribunal Rules 2014 (NSW)
Cases Cited:
Collins v Urban
[2014] NSWCATAP 17
Jackson v NSW Land and Housing Corporation
[2014] NSWCATAP 22
SZSSC v Minister of Immigration and Border Protection
(2014) FCA 863
Dranichnikov
v Minister of Immigration and Multicultural Affairs [2003) HCA 26
Torbey
Investments Corporation Pty Ltd v Ferrara
[2017) NSWCA 9
Texts Cited:
Nil
Category:
Principal judgment
Parties:
ADM Packaging and Automation Pty Ltd (Appellant)
EST Group Pty Ltd (Respondent)
Representation:
Counsel:
C Marshall (Appellant)
Solicitors:
Wright Lawyers (Appellant)
Respondent (Self represented)
File Number(s):
2022/00211942
Publication restriction:
Nil
Decision under appeal
Court or tribunal:
Civil and Administrative Tribunal
Jurisdiction:
Consumer and Commercial Division
Citation:
Not applicable
Date of Decision:
20 June 2022
Before:
E Sarofim, General Member
File Number(s):
GEN 21/41762
REASONS FOR DECISION
Introduction ,
Background Facts,
& Overview of the
Matters in Dispute
This is an internal appeal under s 80(2) of the
Civil and Administrative Tribunal Act
2013 (
NCAT Act
) against a decision made in the Consumer and Commercial Division of the Tribunal
on 20 June 2022 ,
in
the proceedings constituted by file no. GEN 21/41762
(
Decision
) .
The
Notice of Appeal
was
lodged
on 2 0 July
2022, the
appellant
,
ADM Packaging Automation Pty Ltd,
having received
the
Decision
on 21 June 2022.
The Tribunal proceedings concerned a dispute
between
on the one hand,
the supplier
of
goods ,
being
the appellant in this appeal, and
on the other hand,
the
consumer
,
EST Group Pty L td trading as Pure Products,
who acquired the goods,
being
the respondent in this appeal ,
and the applicant in the Tribunal proceedings.
The goods
supplied
were
an auger filler and stand - up packaging and stamping machine .
Relev a ntly, the
machine included a printer which would pr i nt dates on
the packaging
of the consumer ’ s products .
The
consumer ’ s application for orders in the Tribunal proceedings
was made under
the
“ Australian Consumer Law ”
which
came into force in New South Wales
on 1 January 2011
(referred to as the
ACL NSW
). The ACL NSW replaced the provisions of the
F
air
T
rading
Act
1987 NSW (
FT Act
)
which had previously implied conditions and warranties into consumer supply contracts. The repealed provisions of the FT Act were replaced with the text of Schedule 2 to the Commonwealth
Competition and Consumer
Act 2010 referred to as the
“ Australian Consumer Law ” . For New South Wales the text of Schedule 2 to the Commonwealth Act was made applicable as a law of New South Wales ;
the said text is referred to as the
ACL NSW ,
and the ACL NSW is a part of the FT Act: see s 28
and s 32
of the FT Act.
The
respondent brought the Tribunal proceedings because it said
the goods
did not
compl y
with
the
consumer guarantees as
to
acceptable quality and
fitness
for purpose :
see s 54 and s 55 of the ACL NSW.
Specifically, the
consumer ’ s case
in the Tribunal proceedings
was that
the printer did not correctly print
the use-by/expiry date on plastic packaging ,
and
that the machine failed to recognise and insert the plastic scoop .
The appellant ’ s position (as the respondent in the Tribunal proceedings) was that
static electricity was the cause of the printing difficulties experienced by the
consumer, and that the source of the static electricity was a n outside source ,
such as the consumer ’ s
packaging or the environment
in which the machine did its work ,
as opposed to the machine itself.
The
consumer
(as the applicant in the Tribunal proceedings)
contested these contentions
in the appellant ’ s case.
The
consumer
s ubmitted that it was not clear whether static
electricity
existed ,
that more investigation was required , and that
in any case,
it had evidence to show that static electricity was not an issue
in
the defects it complained of .
The
consumer
further submitted that the appellant had not notified it
about any potential issue with static electricity before
payment for, and delivery of, the goods.
These matters were
also
put
in the Reply to Appeal
filed on 2 August 2022.
The Tribunal’s
Decision
The Tribunal found that in
or about
May 2020 the
consumer ( the
respondent in this appeal)
approached the appellant to acquire an auger filler and stand-up packaging and stamping machine capable of filling bags of various sizes with free flow powde r ;
that
the process of the c onsumer
for which the filler and
machine was required
involved inserting a plastic scoo p
and printing the use - by date, barcode and other information on the packaging ; and that the consumer paid the appellant an amount of
$210,694 as per
T ax
I nvoice
bearing
date 21 May 2020
for delivery of the goods .
The
consumer
complained that the
goods were
partly defective and sought replacement ,
or compensation .
as follows:
1. Cost of new printer -
$25,135.
2. Static control solution -
$770.
3. Scoop sensor
-
$99.
The Tribunal found
it
had jurisdiction to hear
and determine
the
parties ’
dispute pursuant to Part 6A of the F T Act .
Specifically, the Tribunal
was satisfied that:
The claim arose from the supply of goods or services by the appellant to the consumer and constituted a claim by the consumer
for
payment of a specified sum of money (FT
A ct, s
79F) .
The goods and services to which the claim related were supplied in NSW (s 79K ,
FT
A ct ) .
T he claim
was
made within the time allowed in s 79L
of the
FT
A ct .
The
applicant in the Tribunal proceedings , the consumer,
was a
“ consumer ”
as defined
in
s
3(1) of the ACL
NSW ,
and also
within the meaning of s 79D of the FT
A ct .
T he claim
of the applicant in
the Tribunal proceedings
was a
“ consumer claim ”
with the meaning of s
79D of the FT
A ct.
T he
appellant
(as respondent in the Tribunal proceedings)
was a supplier of goods as defined in the
ACL NSW.
The
rights ,
including
that goods and services supplied
to a consumer
compl y
with the consumer guarantees ,
and
the
remedies ,
available for non-compliance with the
guarantees
( as provided for in the
ACL NSW ) ,
applied to the
facts and circumstances of the case ,
while also
acknowledging , as
was referred to
earlier , that
the ACL
NSW
d oes
not of itself confer jurisdiction on the Tribunal to hear such actions and
to
provide
such
remedies,
but rather that it is
s
28
and s 32
of the FT
A ct
which
incorporates the
provisions of the
ACL
NSW
and thereby
enables the Tribunal
to hear and determine
the
parties ’
disputes
in accordance with the rights and remedies provided for
in Schedule 2 of the Commonwealth legislation .
Having considered the parties ’
evidence and submissions, t he Tribunal
found that
the printer and scoop sensor were not of acceptable quality
within the meaning of s 54 of the ACL NSW
(Decision, [67]) ; that
in relation to
the
printing and scoop defects
complained of , the goods were not
fit for their disclosed purpose, within the meaning of s 55 of the ACL NSW (Decision,
[68]) ; and
that
s
260
of the ACL NSW,
which identifies a
“ major failure ”
of goods ,
also applied
(Decision , [79]) .
On the available evidence , t he Tribunal
determined
that:
T he c onsumer
had a statutory right to a remedy when
its
supplier or
the
manufacturer
of goods
failed to comply with one of the consumer guarantees
in the ACL NSW .
The appellant ’ s refusal to deal with the consumer was contrary to law as evidenced by
the parties ’
communication s in a
chain of emails .
T he appellant ’ s principal ,
Mr
Fakhry ,
did not attend on site to view the defects
in the goods as reported to him by the consumer .
In the time leading up to the supply of the goods in 2020, t he c onsumer
had gone
to great lengths to share
with
its
supplier , the appellant,
as much information about
the consumer ’ s
site and
the relevant
product environment
for the goods which were to be supplied
(Decision,
[69]).
It was not satisfied that
static
electricity
issues , as advocated by the supplier of the goods (the appellant) ,
caused the printing difficulties experienced by the consumer , or that the consumer ’ s set-up
at its premises
partly contributed to
the failures and defects observed (Decision, [70 ]).
In the circumstances,
the
consu mer ’ s
claim for compensation
in respect of a
replacement printer and
a
replacement scoop sensor
should be allowed .
Based on
those findings, t he Tribunal ordered the appellant to pay $25,234 comprising $25,135 for a replacement printer and $99 for a replacement scoop sensor , such payment to be made
to the consumer
on before
10 July 2022 .
Scope and
Nature of Internal Appeals
Internal appeals may be made as of right on a question of law, and otherwise with leave (that is, the permission) of the Appeal Panel: s 80(2)
of the
NCAT Act.
The circumstances in which the Appeal Panel may grant leave to appeal from decisions made in the Consumer and Commercial Division are limited to those set out in cl 12(1) of Sch4 of the NCAT Act. In such cases, the Appeal Panel must be satisfied that
an
appellant may have suffered a substantial miscarriage of justice on the basis that:
the decision of the Tribunal under appeal was not fair and equitable; or
the decision of the Tribunal under appeal was against the weight of evidence; or
significant new evidence has arisen (being evidence that was not reasonably available at the time the proceedings under appeal were being dealt with).
In
Collins v Urban
[2014] NSWCATAP 17
(
Collins v Urban
), the Appeal Panel stated at [76] that a substantial miscarriage of justice for the purposes of cl 12(1) of Schedule 4 may have been suffered where:
…
there was a "significant possibility" or a "chance which was fairly open" that a different and more favourable result would have been achieved for the appellant had the relevant circumstance in para (a) or (b) not occurred or if the fresh evidence under para (c) had been before the Tribunal at first instance.
E ven if an appellant from a decision of the Consumer and Commercial Division has satisfied the requirements of cl 12 (1)
of Sch4, the Appeal Panel must still consider whether it should exercise its discretion to grant leave to appeal under s 80(2)(b).
In
Collins v Urban , the Appeal Panel stated at [84] that ordinarily it is appropriate to grant leave to appeal only in matters that involve:
(a) issues of principle,
(b) questions of public importance or matters of administration or policy which might have general application, or
(c) an injustice which is reasonably clear, in the sense of going beyond merely what is arguable, or an error that is plain and readily apparent which is central to the Tribunal's decision and not merely peripheral, so that it would be unjust to allow the finding to stand,
(d) a factual error that was unreasonably arrived at and clearly mistaken, or
(e) the Tribunal having gone about the fact-finding process in such an unorthodox manner or in such a way that it was likely to produce an unfair result so that it would be in the interests of justice for it to be reviewed.
Evidence and
Submissions
In deciding the appeal, we have had regard to the
appellant ’ s
Notice of Appeal, and the
respondent ’ s
Reply to Appeal, and to the parties ’
documents, which
were provided to
the Appeal Panel in multiple
bundles ,
and
which
included
written submissions for the appeal, a transcript of
the Tribunal proceedings ,
and the documents and other evidence available
for
the Tribunal
proceedings .
Both parties augmented the written material with further oral submissions
made
during
the
appeal hearing .
The appellant acknowledge d
that the filing of its
N otice of
A ppeal was one day after the last day for the filing of an appeal:
see
rule 25 (4) (c) of the
Civil and Administrative Tribunal
Rules 2014
NSW ,
which allows 28 days from receipt of the
D ecision in which to file an appeal. The
appellant
submitted
that
its
lateness in filing the appeal was due to a clerical error
on the part of its solicitors , and it sought an extension of time pursuant to s 41 of the NCAT Act .
In the appellant ’ s written submissions for the appeal dated 25 August 2022, the appellant ’ s counsel clarified that
the appellant does not press its appeal in relation to
the scoop sensor
claim, i.e., the
appeal is concerned solely
with the consumer ’ s claim of $25,135 for a replacement printer .
The appellant accept ed
there is no question of law arising in the appeal and accordingly that a grant of leave is required pursuant to s 80 (2) (b) of the NCAT
A ct. The appellant originally relied on cl 12 (1) (a) (that the decision was not fair and equitable) and
cl 12 (1)
(b)
( that the decision was against the weight of the evidence ) .
However, t he appellant subsequently relie d
on cl
12 (1) (b) ;
and did
not otherwise rely upon cl
12 (1) (a) except
to this extent :
that
it
would follow the
D ecision
is not
fair and equitable ,
if it be established that the
D ecision was reached against the weight of the evidence.
The appellant dispute d
that the evidence
before the Tribunal
establish ed
that the printer was not of acceptable quality ,
and unfit for purpose ,
for four
(4)
reasons:
T h at th e evidence
“ strongly supported ”
the conclusion that any malfunctions which occurred with the printer were caused
by
higher levels of static electricity in
the consumer ’ s
production environment .
That
the static electricity is an issue which
can affect
any inkjet printer .
T hat t he inkjet printer supplied by the appellant
to the consumer
was not defective b ecause it was
affected by static electricit y and
that in
any case,
the machine
had been
supplied subject to a
written
warranty ,
which stated , relevantly :
“film and product static issues
”
and
“dust accumulation and dust penetration damage”
are excluded from
the
warranty .
Th at th e c onsumer
did not take reasonable steps to prevent the printer from malfunctioning.
The issues for determination in the appeal are:
W hether , as a preliminary matter,
an extension of time
should be granted to bring the appeal ,
given that the appeal was brought
outside the time
(28 days)
for
the
appellant to bring the appeal .
Whether there was a failure
by the Tribunal to consider properly, or at all, the
issue of
“ static
electricity
in the printer ” .
Whether the failure of the machine was
in fact
caused by static electricity.
The
extent
th at th e appellant as supplier of the goods
attempted to honour its warranty obligations
and
whether
such
attempts were considered properly ,
or at all ,
by the Tribunal in its Decision .
Whether the Tribunal considered properly ,
or at all ,
other factors
bearing upon the
impracticality of the appellant rectifying the printer
including restrictions
during the COVID 19
pandemic
Consideration
Extension of time
The principles concerning the grant of extension of time in which to bring an appeal
pursuant to s 41 of the NCAT Act
are discussed in
Jackson v NSW Land and Housing Corporation
[2014] NSWCATAP 22 at
[ 18 ]
–
[ 22 ].
The respondent opposed an extension of t ime. H aving heard the parties ’
competing submissions ,
and applying the relevant principles,
we determine d
that the consumer ha d
not
demonstrated
any real prejudice
if an extension of time
(of one day, as sought by the appellant)
is
granted .
Accordingly , we make an
order
exten ding the
time in which to bring the appeal
to
20 July 2022 .
Whether leave to appeal should be granted
The appellant ’ s principal contention was that static electricity was the cause of the malfunction in the printer. It referred to the fact that technicians had examined the printer even though at no stage did the appellant ’ s principal, Mr
Fakhry ,
examine the equipment once it had been installed in the consumer ’ s premises.
In
respect
of the
claim that static
electricity
was the cause
of
the malfunction , the Tribunal stated, relevantly, at
[70] of the Decision :
As to the issue and evidence relating to static, there is no clear path with contradictory aspects. But when weighing up the evidence actually
before
it , the Tribunal cannot be satisfied that the static issues meant the machine supplied is not of an acceptable quality,
specific features of the
Applicant’s set up are not partly contributing to the failures and defects observed.
When the defects became known ,
the appellant arranged for opinions to be provided by an entity known as Digital Ink
Technologies
Pty Ltd (
Digital Ink
) ,
which
supplied the machine to the appellant. No inspection was made of the equipment ,
but
the appellant relied upon
an email
of Digital Ink
sent
to the consumer
on 12 January 2021 , which stated:
There are
a host of environmental factors that can affect the print ability of our printers and cartridges, we can’t
control everything unfortunately. You
have been experiencing static electricity build up due to the plastic pouch substrate and combination with powder/dust particles in your facility.
However, there
wa s no evidence to establish that any , or any proper,
investigative process had
been followed by Digital Ink to support
a
belief that static electricity was present. No report was provided to this effect.
A
representative from
a nother entity known as Auto-ID Labelling Solutions
(
Auto-ID
)
also
visited
the
consumer ’ s
premises and inspected
the machine .
This
is
reported in an email sent by
the Operations Director of Digital Ink, Andrew Mah oney (
Mr Mahoney
) to the parties on 27 October 2020 . In that email, Mr Mahoney
reported that
the representative from Auto-ID
had
“
identified
that there is a
high level of static
electricity that is being produced within the machine environment that is causing the printing quality to drop over time
” , and that
“
loose protein dust material”
was
“
increasing static electricity
” .
N o report was provided to
substantiate
the observations of
Auto-ID ’ s
representative .
Another organisation ,
SMC
Corporation
( Australia ) Pty Ltd (
SMC
Australia
) ,
by its State
M anager ,
Mr Rod Ryan ,
considered
in
an email
sent
to the parties
on 13 November 20202 ,
that :
…
in regards to
the print head it would be of benefit to recheck the static inside the machine when running with powder to confirm static from the powder and the
print
head even though it [sic]
fairly obvious that the powder is the issue but a s ound check
would be recommended.
T esting by SMC Australia
as reported to the parties in an email
sent to them on 7 December 2020 by Mr Rob
Santori
of SM C Australia,
asserted that
the measure of
static
electricity
inside
some of
the powder products used by the consumer was
“
out of measure”
,
and
further more,
that :
T he conclusion is the raw product from Fonterra has a very high concentration of static and
P ure
P roducts has the powder falling on the components located under the
h opper even after ADM fixed the
hopper. The raw product is carrying static and creating issues with the printing unit.
Despite these assertions, no report was provided by SMC Australia .
On the other hand, t he consumer instructed Static Control Solutions
Pty Ltd
(
Static Control Solutions
)
to report
on the defects .
Terry
Edgtton
(
Mr
Edgtton
)
of
Static Control Solutions
undertook the investigation
by visiting the
consumer ’ s premises during February 2021 . Having considered the various theories being advanced,
Mr
Edgtton
concluded ,
relevantly ,
in hi s report dated 9 February 2022 :
I feel the issue is more of a dust or ink issue than just a static problem.
The assessment of both theories was inconclusive due to lack of testing.
We
consider that there was no clear identification of the issue which caused the printing labels to be defective. Whilst the appellant submitted that the machine would work satisfactorily for a few hours and then it would require wiping or cleaning to provide a satisfactory result, the consumer emphasised that it was required to comply with statutory requirements on its labels stating the expiry date of the product and that to cease production and wipe the machine was wholly unsatisfactory.
In our opinion, t he reasons
given for the D ecision under appeal are detailed and
comprehensive , and
demonstrate that the Tribunal had a very clear understanding of the issues and the evidence before it .
A failure to consider an important aspect such
as, a
failure to deal with a succinctly and clearly articulated argument (see Griffiths J in
SZSSC v Minister of Immigration and Border
Protection
(2014 )
FCA 863 at 75
–
82; or a failure to have regard to an essential element of a party ’ s case constitutes a constructive failure to exercise a function conferred on the decision maker: see also
Dranichnikov
v Minister of Immigration and Multicultural Affairs
[2003) HCA 26; 77;
Torbey
I
nvestments Corporation Pty Ltd v Ferrara
[2017) NSWCA 9 at 63.
In our view, there is no such failure in this case.
Notwithstanding
the detailed
and careful oral and written
submissions of the a ppellant ’ s counsel ,
we do
not consider that any error exists in the Tribunal ’ s finding that there was
“no clear path
with contradictory aspects
”
(Decision,
[70])
concerning the cause of the failure of the printing machine. Such a
finding was clearly open to the Tribunal when the only expert report in existence relating to the failure cast significant doubt on whether static
electricity
was the cause of the problem.
We
further observe that the exclusion of static
electricity
from the
appellant ’ s written
warranty
to the consumer
does not override the necessity for the appellant to provide
equipment
which was suitable for its purpose.
We are satisfied
that the consumer made every attempt to make known to the appellant the purpose for which the equipment was required and that the appellant had visited the applicant ’ s
site several times to see the operation of the consumer ’ s processes and
had taken
samples. Such investigations took place before the order for the equipment was made. Further, the appellant, who states that it has been in the business of supplying machines for 30 years, might be expected to have the expertise required to know what was suitable for the contract for the supply
of
the equipment. The Tribunal
had
noted that the appellant represented
t o the consumer t hat its fillers could be adapted to suit existing packaging machinery and modified to suit different applications. In fact , in the events which occurred,
the equipment provided was faulty from the outset.
In these circumstances,
we
consider that the Tribunal was justified in its finding that the provisions of the ACL
NSW
applied
including the
guarantee as to the acceptable quality of the machine ,
under s 54 of the ACL
NSW
and
the
guarantee as to the fitness for the disclosed purpose ,
under
s 55 of the ACL
NSW .
As
regards any
attempt to rectify the machine, the Tribunal noted that the appellant ’ s principal did not visit the site to examine the defects complained of by the c onsumer . Further,
the Tribunal took account of
the email chain wherein the appellant made it plain that it was relying upon the exclusion contained in it s
written
warranty on the basis that it was a static
electricity
issue and indicated
in those circumstances,
that it would not assist the consumer. At no stage was a comprehensive report commissioned by the appellant to establish the precise nature of the cause of the defect. Whilst
restrictions
in consequence of the COVID 19 pandemic
may have made it awkward, there is no evidence to suggest that
the
restrictions made it impossible for investigations of that kind to be carried out.
In respect of the remedy ,
which was claimed by the consumer,
we observe that the
appellant does not challenge the finding of the Tribunal that the appellant should be reimbursed for the cost of th e
scoop sensor
of $99. Irrespective, the appellant claimed that it had made an offer to take back the printer.
Nevertheless,
when such
“ offer ”
is scrutinised, it is apparent that it was wholly speculative in that there was no sum of money offered to the consumer for the return of the equipment. That is, the appellant never offered to refund the monies paid by the consumer for the defective printer. In these circumstances,
we do not
consider that the Tribunal made
an
error in allowing the claim for the new printer
in
the amount of $25,135 and
in
the amount of $99 for the scoop sens or .
We are satisfied that the findings of the Tribunal
in its Decision
were
not against the weight of the evidence ;
nor were
the Tribunal ’ s findings not fair and equitable .
We find that the
appellant
has not been deprived of a significant possibility or of a chance which was
“ fairly open ” , as referred to in
Collins v Urban
at
[ 76 ]
–
[ 79 ] .
Therefore, we do not find that the appellant has suffered a substantial miscarriage of justice or may have suffered a substantial miscarriage of justice .
Moreover, even if the considerations of cl
12 of Sch4 of the
NCAT Act
were satisfied which, in our opinion, they were not,
we would not have been inclined to grant leave pursuant to s 80(2)(b) of the NCAT Act, because
there
i s no issue of principle involved, no question of public importance, no reasonably clear injustice ,
and there is no clear mistake or error in
the Tribunal ’ s fact ‑ finding process: see
Collins v Urban
at
[ 84 ] .
Conclusion and
Orders
For those reasons, leave to appeal is refused and the appeal must be dismissed.
We make the following orders:
Pursuant to s 41 of the Civil and Administrative Tribunal Act 2013 NSW, extend the time for the lodgement of this appeal to 20 July 2022
Leave to appeal refused.
Appeal dismissed.
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decision of the Civil and Administrative Tribunal of New South Wales.
Registrar
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Decision last updated:
12 October 2022
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