CJB [2023] QCAT 425
QUEENSLAND CIVIL AND
ADMINISTRATIVE TRIBUNAL
CITATION: CJB [2023] QCAT 425
PARTIES: In applications about matters concerning CJB
APPLICATION NO/S: GAA 4402-23
MATTER TYPE: Guardianship and administration matters for adults
DELIVERED ON: 7 November 2023
HEARING DATE: 22 and 23 August 2023
plus further submissions 19 October 2023
HEARD AT: Cairns
DECISION OF: Member Taylor
ORDERS: SRB and AJB, as attorneys for CJB, are authorised
to enter the following conflict transactions:
(a) The payment to RB in the sum of $250,000;
and
(b) The payment to AB in the sum of $250,000.
CATCHWORDS: HEALTH LAW – GUARDIANSHIP, MANAGEMENT
AND ADMINISTRATION OF PROPERTY OF PERSONS
WITH IMPAIRED CAPACITY – ADMINISTRATION
AND FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT – GENERALLY –
where the applicants are attorneys for their mother under an
enduring power of attorney – where their mother is of
impaired capacity – where their mother had previously
gifted a large financial sum to two of her grandchildren,
being children of one of the attorneys, but had not by the
time she was of impaired capacity made a similar gift to her
other two grandchildren – where those two remaining
grandchildren are the sons of the other attorney – where the
applicants sought approval of a conflict transaction to permit
the making of the gifts to those two grandchildren – where
the applicants’ material before the Tribunal was initially
unsatisfactory to show that General Principle 9 could be
satisfied – where directions were given for the filing of
specific financial information to remedy this unsatisfactory
material – whether this Tribunal should exercise its
discretion to authorise the conflict transactions
Guardianship and Administration Act 2000 (Qld) s114A, s
115
Powers of Attorney Act 1998 (Qld), s 6C, s 34, s 73, s 88, s
109A, s 111A, s 118
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BP & PM & Ors [2022] QSC 268
Re CMB [2004] QGAAT 20
Re FAA [2008] QGAAT 3
HM [2012] QCAT 421
MTJ [2014] QCAT 195
VJE [2011] QCAT 111
APPEARANCES &
REPRESENTATION:
Applicants & Current
Attorney:
SRB – Adult’s daughter
AJB – Adult’s son
REASONS FOR DECISION
[1] The application before this Tribunal is one for authorisation of a conflict transaction
to be entered into by attorneys appointed under an enduring power of attorney
document. Accordingly it falls under the Powers of Attorney Act 1998 (Qld) (the POA
Act). Whilst that legislation itself empowers this Tribunal with relevant jurisdiction,
the nature of the application is one made within the scope of s 115 of the Guardianship
and Administration Act 2000 (Qld) (the GAA Act), and accordingly falls within the
ambit of a guardianship proceeding under the GAA Act.1 For that reason, in
satisfaction of s114A of the GAA, the adult and other active parties are referred to
herein in a de-identified format.
Overview
[2] At the time of the hearing CJB was 82 years of age, permanently residing in an aged
care facility having been diagnosed with rapidly deteriorating dementia.
[3] In December 2022, AJB and SRB as CJB’s attorneys under an enduring power of
attorney given in February 2012, applied to this Tribunal for approval of a conflict
transaction. That transaction was proposed as one being to gift $250,000 to each of
AJB’s sons, AB and RB, from their mother’s funds. It was said such gift was
consistent with her wishes as they were expressed when she had capacity.
[4] For the reasons I have given herein, my conclusion is that it is in order for the gifts to
be made to AJB’s two sons, such being consistent with what CJB was intending to do,
and accordingly it is appropriate for this Tribunal to authorise them as conflict
transactions.
Relevant Facts and Circumstances
[5] On 18 February 2012, CJB gave her enduring power of attorney to her husband ASB,
her son AJB, and her daughter SRB, under the Powers of Attorney Act 2003 (NSW),
to be operated jointly and severally. Under that power of attorney document, the
power to give reasonable gifts as provided for under s 11(2) of that Act was expressly
excluded.2
1 See the definition of ‘guardianship proceeding’ in Schedule 4 of the GAA Act.
2 Document H4 on the Tribunal Record. In the Footnotes that follow here I will reference relevant
documents solely by noting their Tribunal Record document number.
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[6] Since then ASB has also been diagnosed with dementia and no longer has capacity
enabling him to act as CJB’s attorney. Thus, it has fallen upon her remaining attorneys
to conduct, as is relevant in this proceeding, her financial affairs.
[7] On 1 December 2022, those attorneys applied to this Tribunal for approval of two
conflict transactions, namely the payment of $250,000 to each of AJB’s sons, being
in turn SRB’s nephews. The premise of that application was expressed in the
application document in the following terms:3
The Adult made gifts of the proceeds of the sale of the property in the United
Kingdom in the sum £300,972.90 to her other grandchildren [Named persons]
in 2017. The Adult has 4 grandchildren and it was her wish for them all to
receive a similar gift from her during her lifetime which was expressed to us,
(sic) the Applicants as well as directly to [RB] and [AB] on multiple occasions.
The Adult’s health condition deteriorated quickly in 2019, meaning she was not
able to make the intended gift to [RB] and [AB]. The Adult has since lost
capacity to make decisions in July 2021.
… The Adult has sufficient assets to comfortably support herself and her
husband, (sic) [ASB] into the future even after the making of the gifts. We note
that the Adult’s assets are largely held jointly with [ASB].
[8] On 27 April 2023, this Tribunal gave directions in furtherance of that application
requiring inter-alia AJB to provide to the Tribunal a statement of CJB’s income and
expenditure on a weekly, fortnightly, or monthly basis, and if CJB’s income includes
any means-tested pension or other benefit to explain any impact of the proposed gifts
on that pension or benefit.4
[9] On 22 August 2023, this proceeding came before me on for an oral hearing. Whilst
AJB had previously provided at various times information purportedly in response to
those directions,5 in my opinion that information was not satisfactory to enable me to
fully understand the impact, if any, the gift would have on CJB’s financial
circumstances and needs for the remainder of her life. It was insufficient to ensure that
the relevant legislative ‘General Principles’ would be met. During the conduct of that
hearing it became apparent to me that:
(a) as noted in the application, CJB’s finances were tied in with her husband’s
finances, the majority of their funds being jointly held;
(b) AJB also held his father’s enduring power of attorney and was simultaneously
managing his father’s finances alongside the management of his mother’s
finances; and
(c) Whilst it was said to be a gift being made only by their mother, it was entirely
unclear as to whether the intended gift was to come from only his mother’s funds
or from funds held jointly with ASB, the latter appearing to be most likely.
[10] That being said, in my opinion it opened the door to questions about the effect, if any,
the gifted amount, if paid, could have on ASB’s finances and accordingly whether the
General Principles were being met by AJB as his father’s attorney.
3 H1 Part C Q2.
4 H6.
5 H7; F2 to F5.
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[11] Accordingly I adjourned the hearing part heard and gave Directions for the provision
by both AJB and SRB of the following:
(a) Evidence from the [Named Bank] as to the separation of joint accounts held by
CJB with her husband ASB identifying funds separately held in the name of
CJB from which the proposed payment of $500,000 (the conflict transaction in
issue) was intended to be made; and
(b) A report from an independent chartered practicing accountant, or a licenced
financial advisor, as to the effect the proposed payment of $500,000 will have
on the financial circumstances of CJB in terms of her financial needs for the
remainder of her natural life.
[12] Ultimately, after two extensions of time for the provision of that information, AJB
filed the requisite information.6
[13] It is against this list of facts and circumstances that I reached the conclusion I did in
this proceeding.
The Issues
[14] There was nothing before me, either documentary or oral, to suggest to me that the
enduring power of attorney given by CJB appointing AJB and SRB was in any way
invalid such that the attorneys were not empowered to manage their mother’s financial
affairs. Nor was there anything before me to suggest that there was any doubt CJB
was, at the time of the hearing, of impaired capacity to the extent of, at the very least,
financial matters.7 Not only did the oral evidence of both AJB and SRB satisfy me
that this was so, but it was also supported by a health professional’s report.8
[15] Thus, the issue before me was a singular one, such being whether the two conflict
transactions should be approved.
Should the conflict transaction be approved ?
Relevant Law
[16] This issue called for the exercise of this Tribunal’s protective jurisdiction, such being
to ensure care is taken of those without capacity to care for themselves by way of this
Tribunal exercising a form of substituted judgment in considering inter-alia what CJB
would likely do if having capacity.9
[17] Notwithstanding that CJB had given her power of attorney under the relevant
legislation in New South Wales, for the purposes of this proceeding the issue fell to
be determined under the POA Act.10
6 F6 and F7.
7 The presumption of capacity as provided for under s 111A of the POA Act was not overlooked, and
for completeness I pause here to observe that on the material before me that presumption was rebutted.
8 M1 and M5.
9 Consider the brief discussion of this principle by Henry J in BP v PM & Ors [2022] QSC 268 at [23]
and the historical caselaw referenced therein.
10 See s 34 of the POA Act which provides for express recognition of an enduring power of attorney
made in a different jurisdiction, such that it must be treated as if it were an enduring power of attorney
made under and in compliance with the POA Act. See also s 109A of the POA Act under which this
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[18] There are three primary relevant provisions of that Act which are engaged in this
proceeding.11 For ease of reference I extract them here:
73 Avoid conflict transaction
(1) An attorney for a financial matter may enter into a conflict
transaction only if the principal, or the court under section 118(2),
has authorised the transaction, conflict transactions of that type or
conflict transactions generally.
…
(6) A conflict transaction is a transaction in which there may be
conflict, or which results in conflict, between—
(a) the duty of an attorney towards the principal; and
(b) either—
(i) the interests of the attorney, or a relation, business
associate or close friend of the attorney; or
(ii) …
88 Gifts and donations
(1) Unless otherwise authorised under this Act, an attorney for a
principal may give away or donate the principal’s property only
if—
(a) the gift or donation is—
(i) of the nature the principal made when the principal
had capacity; or
(ii) of the nature the principal might reasonably be
expected to make; and
(b) the value of the gift or donation is not more than what is
reasonable having regard to all the circumstances and, in
particular, the principal’s financial circumstances.
(2) …
118 Advice, directions and recommendations etc.
(1) On an application about a matter, the court may give directions or advice
or make a recommendation, order or declaration about the matter or
another matter related to this Act, including about—
(a) the interpretation of the terms of, or another issue involving, a power of
attorney, enduring power of attorney or advance health directive; or
(b) the exercise of an attorney’s power or another issue involving an
attorney’s power.
Tribunal is given the same jurisdiction and powers for enduring documents as the Supreme Court of
Queensland, thus references in various sections of the Act relating to enduring documents that
empowers the Court, equally empower this Tribunal.
11 Section 6C ‘General Principles’ is also a relevant provision however I have not extracted it here given
its length as well as the fact that it is what I consider to be a threshold provisions against which other
relevant provisions are to be considered.
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(2) Without limiting subsection (1), the court may, by order and subject to
the terms the court considers appropriate, authorise an attorney, either
generally or in a specific case, to undertake a transaction that the attorney
is not otherwise authorised to undertake or may not otherwise be
authorised to undertake, if the court is satisfied the transaction would be
in accordance with the general principles.
[19] Subject only to one restriction, this Tribunal has unfettered discretion to determine
whether to authorise a conflict transaction. That restriction is, as this is a power that
the Tribunal is exercising under the POA Act the General Principles are to be applied,
such being the reference to the ‘General Principles’ in that last provision extracted as
they are laid out in s 6C of the POA Act.12
[20] In doing so there must be a balance. That is, while there must be encouragement of
self-reliance and substituted judgement, the Tribunal must act consistent with the
adult’s proper care and protection, such including protection of financial interests.13
The Tribunal must also consider the nature of the transaction, and what the adult’s
views and wishes are, or at the very least were when the adult had capacity, in deciding
whether the conflict transaction should be approved.14
[21] Finally, evidence must also be led to demonstrate the benefit to the adult or the
necessity to protect the adult’s interests, and what the adult’s views and wishes are, or
once again at the very least were when the adult had capacity, in relation to the
transaction.15
Evidence
[22] The material before me was relatively brief and succinct in its content. Whilst not in
any way minimising the weight that could be attributed to any of it, for the purposes
of these reasons in my opinion it suffices to record the relevant parts of it merely by
way of summary:
(a) Whilst being one of the appointed attorneys, SRB gave evidence of her mother
having previously gifted funds to SRB’s daughters, her understanding of what
her mother’s present view would be in the absence of a similar gift being made
to AJB’s sons, and in turn SRB gave her support for the gifts to her nephews;16
(b) Both AB and RB gave affidavits in this proceeding to which they each exhibited
an e-mail to them both said to be from CJB dated 25 November 2015 entitled
‘A plan for you both’ in which the gift of $250,000 to each of them was raised
with the following comment being made therein;17 and
… We would like to help you both get a step onto the real estate ladder as
we think you are sensible lads. We would like to take your time looking at
12 MTJ [2014] QCAT 195, [5]. Whilst this matter dealt with a conflict transaction under the Guardianship
and Administration Act 2000 (Qld), the relevant principles are the same and in my opinion it is apposite
to the present proceeding. The same comment applies to the authorities noted in the next three
footnotes herein.
13 HM [2012] QCAT 421, [7].
14 Re FAA [2008] QGAAT 3, [107]–[114]; Re CMB [2004] QGAAT 20, [26].
15 Consider VJE [2011] QCAT 111, [9], [13]-[15].
16 H 8. Such was given in response to directions for same given by this Tribunal on 27 April 2023.
17 H2 and H3.
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units, townhouses etc. either separate ones of together and then when you
find a good one we would finance you to the limit of $250,000 each or
$500,000 if you share. …
(c) RB also exhibited later e-mails from CJB up to May 2019 of similar content.18
[23] As I noted it earlier herein, AJB had also filed material said to show his mother’s
financial circumstances and that the gift of $500,000 would not create any adverse
result for her on-going needs. However, as I also noted it earlier, such did not satisfy
me that this was so particularly given that at least in part it was evidence of jointly
held funds with ASB, and not funds solely held by CJB. What then followed as a
result of the directions I gave was more detailed and precise evidence from AJB as to
his mother’s financial circumstances which showed with clarity:19
(a) CJB’s personal assets totalling $1,850,000, of which $600,000 was held in an
annuity account providing the source of CJB’s income, and $860,000 was held
on deposit solely in CJB’s name with the Commonwealth Bank; and
(b) A statement by a Chartered Accountant that, after review of relevant financial
documentation as referenced therein, his opinion was the payment of the
$500,000 “will not have a detrimental impact on maintaining the financial needs
of [CJB] for the remainder of her natural life.”
Consideration of the Issue
[24] Noting the comment extracted from the e-mail CJB sent to AB and RB as I have
referenced it earlier herein, my first thought was that the gift was to have come from
both CJB and ASB. However, in discussion with both AJB and SRB during the
hearing I was satisfied on the basis of what they both said that, whilst the e-mail
suggests a joint gift, it was always their mother’s wish that the gift be made whether
it came from her funds alone or from funds held jointly with her husband.
[25] Given the evidence is that CJB had made similar gifts to her other grandchildren in
years past, and the evidence is that the gifts which are the conflict transactions for
which approval is sought is of the same nature, one might think that they fall within
the authority of s 88 of the POA Act and thus approval is not required. However, in
my opinion, it is the provisions of s 88(b) that is relevant and so giving rise to, or at
the very least the potential need for, the approval.
[26] Moreover, it must not be overlooked that, when giving the enduring power of attorney
to AJB and SRB, CJB expressly excluded the power to give reasonable gifts, thus
invoking the operation of s 73(1) of the POA Act given the express absence of
authority from CJB to make a gift. But even if the gifts proposed to be made fell within
the ambit of s 88, in my opinion they would still in my opinion fall within the ambit
of a conflict transaction under s 73 of the Act because the gifts are proposed to be
given to the sons of one of the attorneys, the nephews of the other.
[27] There is also the issue arising in terms of the value of the gift relative to CJB’s present
circumstances, in particular her financial circumstances, such which may readily be
considered to be different now as a result of her dementia, loss of cognitive abilities,
and the fact she is now a permanent resident of an aged care facility which of itself
18 H3.
19 F6 and F7.
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carries a substantial financial burden. This falls squarely into the ambit of s 73. For
that reason alone it is appropriate and proper that the attorneys have sought approval
for the transactions.
[28] All that being said, as noted earlier herein, s 118(2), which as relevant in this
proceeding must be read in conjunction with s 73(1) and (6), s 88, and s 109A of the
POA Act, empowers this Tribunal with a discretion to authorise an attorney to
undertake a conflict transaction if satisfied the transaction would be in accordance
with the General Principles. Accordingly, it follows that I must answer two questions
in the positive before authorising the transactions, namely:20
(a) Am I satisfied that the transactions accord with the General Principles?; and
(b) Should I exercise my discretion to authorise the attorneys to enter into those
transactions?
[29] In addressing those two questions, in my opinion there are four of the General
Principles found in s 6C of the POA Act that are directly engaged in this proceeding,
each of which must be shown to have been positively engaged before the discretion
should be exercised in favour of authorising the transactions. I discuss each of them
in turn.
General Principle 1 – Presumption of capacity
[30] I have already addressed this issue earlier herein and need not repeat here what I have
already said. Whilst the general principle is a presumption of capacity, that
presumption has been rebutted on the material that is before me. Accordingly I can be
satisfied that my decision to authorise the transaction is not inconsistent with this
principle.
General Principle 8 – Maximizing an adult’s participation in decision-making
[31] I accepted as a fact that CJB’s dementia had deteriorated to a point where it was no
longer possible for her to realistically be expected to participate in the process of
deciding, at the time of the hearing, to authorise the payment of $500,000 in total to
her two grandsons. For that reason, notwithstanding the provisions of GP 8(6) that
provides for CJB “not to be treated as unable to make a decision about a matter unless
all reasonable steps have been taken to provide her with the support and access to
information to make a communicate a decision”, in my opinion this Principle is not
engaged to its full extent.21
[32] But that is not to say that her participation should be ignored. In my opinion her
participation can be engaged by identifying what her views, wishes, and preferences
would be in that regard.
[33] That was done by way of the oral submissions from AJB and SRB as to the discussions
they had had with their mother in earlier years, but moreover from the e-mailed
communications from CJB to both AB and RB in earlier years before the decline of
20 See again BP v PM & Ors [2022] QSC 268 at [27].
21 Ibid at [42].
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her cognitive abilities. It seems to me that this is sufficient, and I find it to be so, as
evidence of this General Principle being satisfied.
General Principle 9 – Performance of functions and exercise of powers
[34] The focus of this principle is not in terms of any dealings with CJB in identifying the
decision she might have made, but rather it is on the content and nature of the decision
to be reached.22
[35] Under this Principle, it is necessary for this Tribunal to reach the conclusion required
of it in a way that, inter-alia, safeguards CJB’s rights, interests, and opportunities. It
is for that reason I sought the further documentation from AJB in terms of the financial
information. In the absence of that further documentation the material that was before
this Tribunal was simply devoid of adequate substance to enable a point of satisfaction
of this Principle to have been reached.
[36] The provision of that information shows me, and I can thus readily find it as a fact,
that CJB’s rights, interests, and opportunities, as they may readily be expected to arise
in her remaining years as a person sadly afflicted by the declining condition and effect
of dementia as a permanent resident of an aged care facility, are still safeguarded
notwithstanding the gifting of $500,000. It could not be said to not be in her interests.
Accordingly General Principle 9 has been met in the affirmative.
General Principle 10 – Structured decision-making
[37] This Principle is applied in conjunction with the application of General Principle 9,
and when that earlier Principle has been satisfied it is primarily under subsections (3)
to (5) of General Principle 10 that this proceeding falls to be determined. For ease of
reference I extract here in full this Principle as it is expressed in s 6C of the POA Act:
10 Structured decision-making
(1) In applying general principle 9, a person or other entity in
performing a function or exercising a power under this Act in
relation to an adult, or under an enduring document for an adult,
must adopt the approach set out in subsections (2) to (5).
(2) First, the person or other entity must—
(a) recognise and preserve, to the greatest extent practicable, the
adult’s right to make the adult’s own decision; and
(b) if possible, support the adult to make a decision.
(3) Second, the person or other entity must recognise and take into
account any views, wishes and preferences expressed or
demonstrated by the adult.
(4) Third, if the adult’s views, wishes and preferences can not be
determined, the person or other entity must use the principle of
substituted judgement so that if, from the adult’s views, wishes and
preferences, expressed or demonstrated when the adult had
capacity, it is reasonably practicable to work out what the adult’s
views, wishes and preferences would be, the person or other entity
must recognise and take into account what the person or other
22 Ibid at [43].
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entity considers the adult’s views, wishes and preferences would
be.
(5) Fourth, once the person or other entity has recognised and taken
into account the matters mentioned in subsections (2) to (4), the
person or other entity may perform the function or exercise the
power.
[38] In my opinion it is readily possible and correct to step past subsection (2) once it is
established that General Principles 1 to 8 have been met,23 and moreover on the basis
as I have already noted herein that CJB’s cognitive decline is such that she is not
practically now able to participate in the decision making process in any meaningful
way.
[39] That being so, the focus then falls on a recognition and acceptance of CJB’s views,
wishes, and preferences as required under subsections (3) and (4), such having been
identified in a consideration of General Principle 8. It is not however the question of
a determination as to what CJB’s views, wishes, and preferences would be in terms of
the decision I am being asked to make, that being the authorisation of a conflict
transaction, but rather it is in terms of her views, wishes, and preferences as to the
nature of the matter upon which the decision is to be made.24
[40] In that regard I could readily accept on the evidence that was before me it was
abundantly clear that CJB wished to gift a substantial fund to each of her
grandchildren. She had done so to two of them earlier but was still to do so to AB and
RB, and undoubtedly would have done so but for the on-set of her dementia and her
cognitive decline. The decision that I am being asked to make is consistent with the
matter upon which the effect of that decision gives rise to.
[41] I can thus readily accept and I so find that General Principle 10 has also been satisfied.
Conclusion
[42] On the basis of the satisfaction of those General Principles, particularly given the
stated views, wishes and preferences of CJB to which I have referred, I see no reason
not to exercise the discretion afforded me as constituting this Tribunal and authorise
the transactions proposed. In my opinion there is a solid basis for the transactions
proposed, and certainty that the transactions does not adversely affect the financial
circumstances of CJB such that she would be left without the requisite safeguards in
place.
[43] Accordingly, the proper outcome is that AJB’s and SRB’s application for approval of
a conflict transaction should be allowed and the relevant transactions authorised.
There will be an order to that effect.
23 I pause here to observe that whilst I have not engaged in any discussion on General Principles 2 to 7,
there is nothing on the material before me to suggest that in any way these Principles have not been
satisfied. For that reason, and with the aim of maintaining some degree of brevity in these reasons, I
did not descend into that discussion. In this regard I note the discussion of Henry J in BP v PM & Ors
[2022] QSC 268, an authority to which I have referred often herein, more particularly at [84] to [91]
therein where his Honour discussed these Principles. In general terms his comments therein as they
applied in the circumstances before the Court in that matter bear relevance to the circumstances before
this Tribunal and in that regard I respectfully adopt them.
24 BP v PM & Ors [2022] QSC 268 at [68].
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Official source: https://www.sclqld.org.au/caselaw/QCAT/2023/425