Chen v Gold Coast Hospital and Health Service (No 2) [2023] QIRC 2
QUEENSLAND INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS COMMISSION
CITATION: Chen v Gold Coast Hospital and Health
Service (No. 2) [2023] QIRC 002
PARTIES: Chen, Victor
(Applicant)
v
Gold Coast Hospital and Health Service
(Respondent)
CASE NOS: GP/2020/27 & TD/2021/20
PROCEEDING: Application in existing proceedings –
Disclosure
DELIVERED ON: 3 January 2023
MENTION DATE: 1 December 2022
MEMBER:
HEARD AT:
Industrial Commissioner Pidgeon
Brisbane
ORDERS: 1. The application in existing
proceedings as it pertains to the
request for further and better
discovery is dismissed.
2. I will hear the parties as to costs of the
aspects of the application in existing
proceedings relating to a request for
joinder of PSA/2022/449 to the
current matters and the request for an
order for recusal.
CATCHWORDS: INDUSTRIAL LAW – QUEENSLAND –
PRACTICE AND PROCEDURE –
application for disclosure – where disclosure
is opposed on the basis of relevance –
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consideration of relevance – application
dismissed
LEGISLATION: Industrial Relations (Tribunals) Rules 2011 rr
41, 46
CASES: CFMEU v BHP Coal Pty Ltd (No 2) (2011) 212
IR 313
Huyghe v State of Queensland (Mackay Hospital
and Health Service) [2022] QIRC 014
Quenchy Crusta Sales Pty Ltd v Logi-Tech Pty
Ltd (2002) 223 LSJS 266
Robson v Reb Engineering Pty Ltd [1997] 2 Qd
R 102
Southern Equities Corporation Ltd (In
Liquidation) v Arthur Andersen & Co (No 5)
[2001] SASC 335
APPEARANCES: Dr V Chen, the Applicant himself.
Mr PM Zielinski of counsel, instructed by
MinterEllison for the Respondent.
Reasons for Decision
Introduction
[1] This is an application in existing proceedings filed by Dr Victor Chen (the Applicant) on
14 November 2022 in respect of disclosure.
[2] Dr Chen's application in existing proceedings sought a number of decisions:
1. The Commission to order further and better discovery from the Respondent to facilitate
rational planning ongoing Commission steps to resolution.
2. The Commission to joinder matters PSA/2020/449, GP/2020/27 and TD/2021/20.
3. The Commission to order MinterEllison recuse themselves of all my further Commission
processes with prima facie breach of my confidentiality of legal advice via
Ms Nikki Khavari who was engaged by both parties concurrently August 2020 and advised
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me to delay taking legal action inter alia not to progress Public Service appeal where prior
filing deadlines were missed in August 2020.
[3] At a mention of the matter on Thursday 1 December 2022, I heard submissions of the
parties regarding each of the decisions sought by Dr Chen. For reasons given at that
mention, I dismissed Dr Chen's applications for orders number 2 and 3. I indicated to the
parties that I wished to have time to consider a 27-page Affidavit containing several
exhibits which Dr Chen had filed in support of his application in existing proceedings
and also wished to wait for the transcript of the hearing prior to considering the
application for 'further and better discovery'. This decision deals with the request for
further and better discovery and for the reasons which follow, I dismiss the application.
[4] Dr Chen attached a schedule to his Form 4 – application in existing proceedings which
provided more particulars about what he is seeking by way of his application for 'further
and better discovery'. The relevant part of that schedule requests:
4. This part of the application is for the Commission to order further and better discovery
from the respondent, in particular:
a. Further and better discovery around current employment details (whether
temporary/permanent) and intent in 2023 around Dr Tony Vo, particularly whether
Dr Vo is or will remain a temporary or become a permanent employee interventional
cardiology SMO, what quanta FTEs while parties are awaiting Commission
processes. This is directly relevant evidence to enable efficient rational planning
ongoing Commission steps, such as litigation steps around practicableness of my
reinstatement and I respectfully submit no rational planning of ongoing Commission
steps is possible in absence of further and better discovery around these factual
matters;
b. Further and better discovery around confirmed upcoming funding permanent
0.3 to 0.6 FTE interventional SMO positions, already widely known to
colleagues, also other upcoming funded 1.0 FTE SMO positions. Senior colleagues
disclosed to me via SMS 3 November 2022 Dr Carl De Wet requested and
obtained agreement from colleagues to reduce to part-time "fractional so they
have a few sessions to employ an interventional cardiologist… Carl stated [during
a recent meeting] that his biggest concern was the interventionalists who were
under the greatest pressure and on call too frequently";
c. In light of the above, I respectfully submit need for further and better discovery of
other directly relevant evidence to current factual staffing level circumstances in
order to weigh up whether prior respondent filings since 2020 and affidavit evidence
filed for the respondent was truthful, credible where it was previously affirmed on
9 June 2022 that the current "six interventional cardiologists are sufficient to ensure
that the on-call workload is adequately shared to avoid undue fatigue":
i. Further and better discovery from the respondent that prior status quo staffing
levels was 7 interventionalists that included my continuous regular and
systematic rostering 2014 to 2020 with further and better discovery
confirmation this did not lead to prior unsustainable nor factually any
Departmental budget deficits to mid-2020;
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ii. Further and better discovery of GCHHS collegial SMO email threads around
July 2022, initiated by a Clinical Director that the current roster was still
"unsustainable", "unsafe", "needs more staff" and further and better discovery
from the respondent what were the GCHHS executives' managerial responses;
iii. Further and better discovery from the respondent that 1 of 6 current
interventional cardiologists, Dr Vo is currently a temporary fixed-term part-
time SMO and further and better discovery whether Dr Vo's uncontroversially
known ongoing operationally required role will terminate at a fixed term
contract expiry date or whether GCHHS will act to extend the temporary
contract or convert Dr Vo to permanent employment prior to completion of
current Commission processes and decisions.
iv. A prior affidavit filed by the respondent dated 10th (unsigned) or
23rd June 2022 affirmed GCHHS previously held off on a 1.0 FTE SMO
appointment March 2021 due to rational regard that the Commission might
order my conversion to permanent employment as a result of my Commission
public service appeal.
v. My previous counsel Mr Massy advised during Teleconference
16 August 2021 his concurrence to the view that it would amount to
manifested GCHHS contempt of Commission processes (and extensive prior
wastage of public expenditure on legal fees) if GCHHS acted to make
permanent appointments now to any new interventional SMO vacancies that
would prejudice outcome of my reinstatement applications, acted whilst the
respondent is aware questions of my reinstatement and conversion to
permanent employment are current on-foot matters before the Commission.
vi. Further and better discovery evidence factual circumstances around my unfair
dismissal May or June 2021 when sever understaffing in a public hospital life
preserving service after April 2021 (interventional cardiologist numbers at
GCHHS reduced from prior status quo since 2014 of 7 to 5 interventionalists),
knowledge of facts of understaffing whilst awaiting Commission processes
was given as evidence to eternal investigators for Severity Assessment Code
1 ("SAC1") patient incident reviews.
5. I respectfully note this request for orders for further and better discovery are wholly
the same discovery considerations in requests made via correspondence K&L Gates to
MinterEllison 22 June 2022:
a. "2 important issues in this case are whether: (a) there was/is an ongoing operational
need for the Applicant to be employed by the Respondent…; and/or (b) the
Department was (and is) fully staffed"; and,
b. "[requests for discovery] any and all documents constituting, evidencing, recording
or referring to…decision[s] to appoint or re-appoint Dr Vo on each and every
occasion…".
6. I affirm corresponding with the respondent on 4 November 2022 requesting voluntary
further and better discovery around Dr Vo's employment details and the respondent replied
through their representative Ms Victoria Hepburn of MinterEllison on 8 November 2022:
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"We do not agree that these documents are directly relevant to the matters at issue in these
proceedings and our client will not be voluntarily disclosing documents in these categories."
7. In light of the above response from the respondent (that I view as unreasonable and
vexatious and an abuse of process via interposing further unnecessary and
unreasonable delays) I seek for the Commission to now order further and better
discovery of directly relevant evidence, especially around the GCHHS' ongoing
temporary employment of Dr Vo, imminent intentions and further and better
discovery facts of an upcoming funded permanent 0.3 FTE interventional cardiology
vacancy.
[5] At paragraphs 29 to 31 of the schedule to his Form 4, Dr Chen summarises his position:
29. Application for further and better discovery: The Respondent has refused and therefore the
applicant respectfully seeks for the Commission to order further and better discovery from
the respondent inter alia:
a. the fully relevant current employment details and intentions for temporary
interventional cardiologist Dr Vo;
b. further and better discovery from the respondent around a widely-known upcoming
vacancy of a funded 0.3 FTE SMO interventional cardiologist position.
30. This further and better discovery from the respondent of directly relevant evidence:
a. whether the Department was (and is) fully staffed;
b. whether there was/is an ongoing operational need for the Applicant to be employed
by the Respondent.
31. This further and better discovery from the respondent must precede any rational efficient
planning towards latter Commission steps.
[6] I have read Dr Chen's affidavit. Dr Chen asks that the affidavit be read alongside his other
filed material and previous affidavits. I note that the affidavit largely sets out the history
of the matter and Dr Chen's understanding of the circumstances surrounding a number of
matters related to his employment. Dr Chen also sets out his disagreement with a range
of statements made by the Respondent.
[7] During the mention of the matter to discuss the interlocutory application, I asked
Dr Chen if there was anything he wished to say in support of his application, noting that
I did not need him to repeat anything that he had already filed in writing. With regard to
the discovery Dr Chen is seeking about Dr Vo's employment, he said:
…I made some very simple queries, after being instructed not to contact my colleagues at the risk
of contaminating evidence – I'm – I'm not – not too sure – I quickly discovered, yes, that there's
quite easily discoverable a 0.3 permanent interventional role, and that's for someone to be on call,
because the – the current team are rostered too frequently, because there's never been a restructure
or redundancy of the seven interventionalists. So the – agreed issues and fact in contention is
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whether there is an operational need for my role and a vacancy. So I – I – I've very – I mean, I don't
want to sound silly, but, yes. It – was a very simple matter of sending an SMS to one of my
colleagues, and he – he stated that there is a vacant FTE, so it - so it really solved the matter of
discovery. It's just a matter of getting it put into evidence, whether he's called as a witness or…1
…
And – or whether the hospital should just voluntarily – or you should order that discovery, because
otherwise if I [indistinct] get lawyers it's going to be happening, you know – probably run out of
lawyers in – Queensland, potentially, because they'll all have to be called to the hearing. I would...2
[8] I asked Dr Chen a number of times if he believed he had evidence of the vacant FTE or
permanent FTEs he says are available. Dr Chen appeared to confirm that he had
knowledge of these matters and his affidavit leads me to believe that he has formed a
view based on material available to him or things he has been told regarding the vacant
positions and the matters he raises. Dr Chen appeared to seek that the Respondent
produce evidence to confirm or deny his claims because 'it would give discovery
evidence that the respondent's position is unreasonable and vexatious because – what are
they wishing to argue? Are – are they wishing to argue that there isn't an operational
requirement for my role?'3
[9] It remained unclear exactly what Dr Chen was seeking, so I asked him to specifically
address what he sought to be provided:
COMMISSIONER: … What specifically are you seeking to have handed over to you?
DR CHEN: That there is a 0.3 FTE permanent interventional role that is due to be recruited.
….
COMMISSIONER: What would that look like? What does that evidence look like?
DR CHEN: There are management planning documents, budget documents – there would be
documentation, or the respondent could simply file an affidavit that – that what I'm saying is not
true. So – so at this meeting were Rohan Jayasinghe and Dr Carl de Wet. They – they asked and
arranged for this reallocation of 0.3 FTEs and that the – the role – the – the reason that they wanted
these FTEs was to transfer them for an interventional cardiology role.
…
I mean, if they want to – I mean, that – that would resolve, actually, the matter, rather than finding
out at the hearing that – that the hospital's made unreasonable and – and – and – and vexatious
filings and submissions and – and [indistinct] now was the vacancy. I mean, it – it – it may well
come out that , yes, someone has been extended or someone new has been hired. I mean – but we
don't want to be in the position where the hospital changes its [indistinct] operational details just to
fit in with what they've said here because ---
1 T 1-14, l 46 – T 1-15, l 9.
2 T 1-15, ll 13-16.
3 T 1-16, l 45 – T 1-17, l 2.
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COMMISSIONER: So… So can I… just check – so what you are seeking is for the respondent to
provide you with a statement that indicates that they disagree with what you are suggesting?
DR CHEN: Well – well – well, Dr de Wet could – could reaffirm his affidavit of June…
COMMISSIONER: So, I'll just stop you there. I'll go to Mr Zielinksi. But as I’m sitting here
listening to you, it just sounds to me like these are matters to be decided at the hearing. These are
factual matters. You have a different view to the respondent, and the place to test that is during the
hearing…4
[10] Mr Zielinksi made submissions regarding the request on the basis of Dr Chen's
clarification regarding what he was seeking. Mr Zielinski said, 'what Dr Chen's really
asking for, as you say, Commissioner, is a request for information, which is not a proper
request for discovery'.5
[11] Mr Zielinski went on to say that in any case, if:
there were plans afoot to hire an interventional cardiologist – which, incidentally there are not…
documents that pertain to that wouldn't be directly relevant to this proceeding. That's not least
because what we're talking about are operational matters that Dr Chen is complaining of two years
after his – he no longer received shifts. Now, we accept that if there is an ongoing need for his type
of work in the service, that is a matter that might be relevant to the question of reinstatement, and
it's also a matter that might lead to a sort of train of inquiry that would have, in the past, provided a
basis for discovery.
But the test before you, Commissioner, is direct relevance. Do any of these documents directly bear
on the key issues, really, in this proceeding which go to why was Dr Chen dismissed and was it
lawful or unfair. All of those things happened quite a long time ago, and it's not appropriate, in my
submission, to really entertain the sort of approach that Dr Chen has done here, which is really,
come before you in October, not be happy with the legal services he was provided – and that's really
a matter for him to take up with those former lawyers and their insurers – and to burden the
commission and the respondent with yet another discovery application, which is still suffering from
some lack of clarity and, certainly, suffering from a lack of clarity as to what particular documents
he's after. So that's all a very long way of saying, even taken at its very highest, there's just no basis
for the discovery order to be made on the premise that Dr Chen has made today.6
[12] In reply, Dr Chen said that 'the delays practically do prejudice the outcome of
reinstatement'.7 Dr Chen said that Dr de Wet's affidavit was filed in June and will be
'hopelessly out of date as of today because he has, in fact, had a meeting two or three
weeks ago, where he has planned for further FTEs to be allocated to interventional
cardiology'.8
4 T 1-17, l 37 – T 1-18, l 39.
5 T 1-18, ll 45-46.
6 T 1-18, l 46 – T1-19, l 22.
7 T 1-19, ll 34-39.
8 Ibid.
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[13] I asked Dr Chen, '… won't there be an opportunity at the hearing of the matter to ask
Dr de Wet those questions?'. Dr Chen replied that 'my outcome sought is reinstatement,
so we – we would need the discovery relevant to the process where I'm seeking the
outcome.'9
The relevant legislative provisions and legal framework
Industrial Relations (Tribunals) Rules 2011
[14] Rule 41(1) of the Industrial Relations (Tribunals) Rules 2011 ('the Rules') relevantly
provides that the Commission may make a directions order about the conduct of the
proceeding on the application of a party or on the initiative of the Commission. Rule
41(2)(o) provides that a directions order may relate to requiring disclosure of documents
and r 41(2)(p) provides that a directions order may relate to requiring inspection of
documents.
[15] Rule 46 of the Rules deals with the duty of disclosure and provides:
46 Duty of disclosure
(1) If a directions order requiring disclosure of documents is made, a party must disclose any
document that—
(a) is directly relevant to the proceeding or a matter in issue in the proceeding; and
(b) is in, or comes into, the possession of the party.
(2) A party must act under subrule (1) until the proceeding is concluded or the matter in issue is
admitted, withdrawn, struck out or otherwise disposed of.
(3) Subrule (1) does not apply to a document in relation to which there is a valid claim to
privilege from disclosure.
[16] On 1 March 2021, r 46(1)(a) was amended by the Industrial Relations (Tribunal)
Amendment Rule 2021 (Qld) to insert the word 'directly'. The rule now provides that a
party must make disclosure of a document if that document is 'directly relevant' to the
proceedings or a matter in issue.10
[17] The amendment to r 46 has narrowed the scope of the obligation of disclosure and the
train of enquiry test no longer requires. Instead, parties need only make disclosure of
documents that are directly relevant to an issue in the proceedings.
9 T 1-19, l 45 – T 1-20, l 2.
10 Emphasis added.
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[18] The principles relevant to determining whether a document is 'directly relevant' are set
out by Collier J in CFMEU v BHP Coal Pty Ltd (No 2).11 These principles are
summarised by Knight IC in Huyghe v State of Queensland (Mackay Hospital and Health
Service) as follows:12
whether a document is directly relevant to an issue in the proceeding is a question of fact in
the circumstances of the case;13
'directly' should not be understood to mean that which constitutes direct evidence, to the
exclusion of circumstantial evidence.14 Rather, 'directly relevant' means something which
tends to prove or disprove the allegation in issue;15 and
a document will not be 'directly relevant' if, rather than tending to prove an issue in dispute,
it merely tends to prove something that may be relevant to a disputed issue.16
Consideration
[19] Having considered all of the submissions before me, I have determined to dismiss the
application for further and better discovery. It seems to me that Dr Chen is making a
request for information, or a request for the Respondent to create documents or affidavits
which refute Dr Chen's claims. That is not the purpose of discovery. If Dr Chen believes
witnesses or other evidence do not set out the correct factual scenario, he may address
this during cross-examination and through his own evidence and submissions at the
hearing.
[20] Further to this, Dr Chen appears to base his strong views about the current staffing level
and needs of the hospital on information he has been given by colleagues or documents
he has viewed.17 This is evidence Dr Chen can lead at the hearing either through
witnesses he calls, through cross-examination, or by tendering documents through
witnesses. If Dr Chen has come across documents he believes are relevant and he intends
to use to support his case, he must consider the disclosure requirements surrounding those
documents.
[21] It appears clear that one of the main purposes Dr Chen seeks the information regarding
availability of positions, is as it relates to the practicality of reinstatement in the event he
is successful in his applications. It is my view that the Respondent will make its
arguments about the practicality of reinstatement and Dr Chen will have the opportunity
cross-examine witnesses with regard to their evidence. Dr Chen will also have the
opportunity to lead the evidence he believes he has regarding the availability of positions.
11 (2011) 212 IR 313, [34]-[37].
12 [2022] QIRC 014, [20].
13 (2011) 212 IR 313, [34].
14 Southern Equities Corporation Ltd (In Liquidation) v Arthur Andersen & Co (No 5) [2001] SASC 335, [12].
15 Robson v Reb Engineering Pty Ltd [1997] 2 Qd R 102, 105.
16 Quenchy Crusta Sales Pty Ltd v Logi-Tech Pty Ltd (2002) 223 LSJS 266, [11].
17 For example, Affidavit of Dr Victor Chen sworn 29 November 2022, VC-56 'Collegial SMS 3 November
2022'.
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I do not find that the availability or otherwise of permanent FTE roles is a matter directly
relevant to the unfair dismissal and general protections matters before me. If Dr Chen is
successful and is reinstated to the casual roster, the availability of permanent positions
may become an issue in his Public Service Appeal matter regarding conversion to
permanent.
[22] As I noted at the mention, the Commission is required to take a number of considerations
into account when considering if reinstatement is practical. It does not necessarily follow
that simply because a Respondent says that reinstatement is not a practical outcome, that
the Commission must accept that view. Where the Commission determines it to be the
appropriate remedy, reinstatement may be ordered.
[23] I do not find the current employment details, or future employment intentions for 2023
regarding Dr Vo,18 to be directly relevant to the matters in issue between the parties in
the unfair dismissal and general protections matters which pertain to circumstances
which occurred some years earlier.
[24] With regard to the request for 'confirmed upcoming funded permanent 0.3 to 0.6 FTE
Interventional SMO positions, already widely-known to colleagues', Dr Chen says in his
schedule that senior colleagues have disclosed this information to him.19 Dr Chen is
capable of leading this evidence himself by calling the relevant witnesses. Dr Chen does
not need to 'discover' this information, rather he needs to present the evidence he has at
the hearing of the matter. It appears that Dr Chen seeks to have his understanding
confirmed by the Respondent and this is not a proper request for discovery.
[25] The matters set out at 4(c) of the application in existing proceedings appear to me to be
a situation where Dr Chen appears to have knowledge of or be in possession of
documents or information from witnesses that may call in to question the position of the
Respondent on a range of matters. Further, it may be that Dr Chen simply does not believe
what the Respondent says and, in that case, he needs to test that by way of an examination
of evidence at the hearing. It is a matter for Dr Chen to raise these questions regarding
the factual circumstances that existed at the time of the events in question at the hearing.
Other aspects of 4(c) include requests surrounding Dr Vo's employment, which I have
dealt with above; discussion about a prior affidavit dated 23 June 2022 which is not a
request for discovery; and advice apparently provided to Dr Chen by his previous counsel
which is also not a request for discovery. The final matter dealt with in 4(c) appears to
be an argument in favour of Dr Chen's theory as to why his dismissal was unfair. Dr Chen
states what he believes to be the factual circumstances regarding severe understaffing of
the Department and the decision to reduce cardiologist numbers. Dr Chen will have the
opportunity to put those matters forward at hearing.
18 Application in existing proceedings filed 14 November 2022, schedule, paragraph 4(a).
19 Ibid 4(b).
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[26] Paragraph 5 of Part 1 of the schedule also relates to Dr Vo's current and future
employment and for the reasons given above, I do not find those matters directly relevant.
[27] The application in existing proceedings for further and better discovery is therefore
dismissed.
Costs
[28] I understand that the Respondent is seeking costs with regard to the aspects of the
application in existing proceedings not related to the discovery matter. That is, the request
for joinder and the order for recusal. I understand that I initially suggested that these
reasons would be delivered ex tempore and that I would hear the parties on costs at that
hearing. However, given that I am writing these reasons on the final working day of the
year, I determined to spare the parties the requirement to attend the Commission by
releasing the outcome as a written decision.
[29] I will issue a Directions Order seeking written submissions with regard to costs of the
application in existing proceedings.
Other matters
[30] I am of the view that the matter is now ready to be listed for hearing. However, as I
indicated at the mention, I will not list the matter until I have some certainty that Dr Chen
is ready to proceed to hearing. I understand that Dr Chen retains a right to file whatever
applications he believes are necessary for the conduct of the matter, however I note that
at some point, it is necessary to draw a line under preparations for hearing and to move
forward to hear the matter.
[31] As such, I await Dr Chen's advice as to whether he is ready to proceed to hearing. I look
forward to listing the matter for hearing as soon as is practicable.
Orders
[32] I make the following orders:
1. The application in existing proceedings as it pertains to the request for further
and better discovery is dismissed.
2. I will hear the parties as to costs of the aspects of the application in existing
proceedings relating to a request for joinder of PSA/2022/449 to the current
matters and the request for an order for recusal.
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Official source: https://www.sclqld.org.au/caselaw/QIRC/2023/002