Department of Children, Youth Justice and Multicultural Affairs v Jessica Spencer (a pseudonym) [2023] QChCM 4
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MAGISTRATES COURT OF QUEENSLAND
CITATION: Department of Children, Youth Justice and Multicultural
Affairs v Jessica Spencer (a pseudonym) [2023] QChCM 4
PARTIES: DEPARTMENT OF CHILDREN, YOUTH JUSTICE AND
MULTICULTURAL AFFAIRS
(Applicant)
v
JESSICA SPENCER
(Respondent)
FILE NO: Mount Isa CCM
PROCEEDING: Application for a Temporary Assessment Order
COURT: Children’s Court, Mount Isa
DELIVERED ON: 15 February 2023
DELIVERED AT: Mount Isa
HERAING DATES: 10 February 2023
MAGISTRATE: E. Mac Giolla Rí
ORDER: The application is dismissed (Order made on 10 February
2023)
APPEARANCES: B Kelly, Office of the Child and Family Official Solicitor for
the applicant. (by phone)
The Respondent was self-represented (by phone)
Overview
1. The Department of Children, Youth Justice and Multicultural Affairs (‘the Department’)
seeks an order placing Jessica Spencer’s son, Tom, in its care and restricting Jessica’s
contact with Tom.
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2. Tom usually lives in a remote community with Jessica, though his primary carer is his
maternal grandmother, Judy. Tom is a 12-year-old aboriginal boy. Tom is profoundly
autistic, non-verbal and exhibits some unusual behaviours.
3. Jessica sometimes drinks too much, has limited access to housing and has a violent
partner. These attributes make her a poor primary carer for Tom. She has a good personal
connection with Tom, which appears to comfort Tom and limits some of his unusual
behaviours but, as noted above, she is not his primary carer – that role is played by his
grandmother, Judy.
4. Jessica and Tom recently came into Mount Isa from their remote community for a
funeral. They have been Mount Isa since approximately the start of January and have
been prevented from returning to their remote community because wet season flooding
has closed the roads between Mount Isa and their community.
5. The Department had contact with Jessica and Tom on 7, 8 & 10 February 2023, causing
departmental officers to make the current application on the following bases:
a. Jessica has a violent partner, Richard, who is required by law to stay away from
her but she has been seen in his company.
b. The Department received a notification on 4 January 2023 that:
i. Jessica and Tom have been in Mount Isa since mid-2022.
ii. Jessica was recently involved in driving dangerously while intoxicated
with Tom in the car. Tom was not wearing a seatbelt.
iii. Jessica, Richard & Tom were living in the riverbed at Mount Isa,
effectively sleeping rough.
iv. Tom is underfed and dirty.
c. Jessica failed to take Tom to an appointment at a health centre that had been
arranged by the Department.
d. Tom’s teeth are not brushed and are covered in plaque and tartar and are brown.
e. Tom has scabies.
f. Tom has limited clothing.
g. Jessica appears generally unmotivated to look after Tom’s substantial health
needs. Tom is non-verbal and, as such, may be at greater risk than other children
because he may have difficulty communicating his needs. Similarly, Tom is not in
school and not receiving the support a child with his level of autism requires.
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h. Insofar as Jessica and Tom stay in houses, some of the adults in those households
are unsafe, in that they have lost children to the Department and those households
are “drinking” households.
i. Jessica drinks a lot and drinks frequently.
j. There have been prior child protection notifications in relation to Jessica’s
parenting of Tom and two of her other children.
6. On 10 February 2023 I held a short hearing by phone. Based on that hearing and the
material in the application I find the following:
a. Richard is a violent man and has been with Jessica (and Tom) at least once since
she arrived in Mount Isa. I am unable to say whether there have been further
meetings.
b. Something like the alleged ‘drink drive’ incident occurred on 4 January 2023 but I
do not accept that the incident occurred as described at 5(b), above. That
anonymous complaint is fundamentally unreliable such that I can place little
weight on it because:
i. Jessica denies she was driving or, indeed, drunk.
ii. The information that Jessica and Tom have been in Mount Isa since mid-
2022 is obviously wrong. When Departmental officers spoke to Tom’s
grandmother recently, she said that Jessica and Tom had only been gone a
matter of weeks. I find it unlikely that Jessica and Tom had been in Mount
Isa for more than a matter of days before the 4 January incident.
iii. The information that Jessica and Tom were living rough is also obviously
wrong. The material in the application discloses that Jessica and Tom have
plenty of family and friends in Mount Isa and, although they have had to
move between houses, they have a variety of homes available to them.
iv. The information that Tom was unwashed and dirty is inconsistent with
subsequent observations by Departmental officers.1 There is no evidence
Tom is underfed.
c. I accept that on 10 February 2023 Jessica failed to get Tom to a morning health
appointment as agreed with Departmental officers. Jessica’s explanation for this
was that she slept in because she had not slept the night before because Tom was
up laughing and interacting with an imaginary friend until the early hours of the
1 Para 25(c) of the application.
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morning. I accept this explanation though, for reasons set out below, I do accept
that she is generally not as motivated as she should be to look after Tom’s
medical/disability needs.
d. I accept that Tom has dental problems as described and that those problems
indicate a lack of care by Jessica.
e. Equally, I accept that Tom has scabies, indicating a lack of care by Jessica who
blames that condition of its existence in some of the houses they have had to stay
at since been marooned in Mount Isa.
f. I accept that Tom has limited clothing but when he was seen by Departmental
officers on 7 February 2023 he was clean and in appropriate clothing. On
subsequent days he was seen in the same clothing and on 8 February 2023 he was
said not to have clothes to change into. This is perhaps understandable in
circumstances where he has had to stay on in Mount Isa much longer than
expected, though I accept it discloses shortcomings in Jessica’s care for Tom.
g. I accept that Jessica is not as motivated as she should be to take care of Tom’s
health/disability needs, however this deficiency needs to be seen in context:
Jessica is not Tom’s primary carer. The Department’s own discussions with his
grandmother, Judy, make that clear. Tom is only in Mount Isa because the roads
back to his community are closed. In his remote community, Tom accesses the
NDIS and Judy has advanced plans to obtain housing in a larger town to further
access supports for Tom.2 It is clear from the material and Jessica’s attitude that
she doesn’t want to be in Mount Isa anymore and would gladly take Tom home if
the roads were open. She has plans to fly him home in the week commencing 20
February 2023.
h. In terms of housing, I accept that Jessica and Tom have stayed at a variety of
homes, some of them unsuitable, though this has to be seen in context – Jessica
and Tom are effectively stuck in Mount Isa. In the circumstances, Jessica is doing
the best she can.
i. I accept that Jessica has a history of excessive drinking. The remote community in
which Jessica and Tom usually live is dry and I accept that Jessica does not
(cannot) usually drink in that community. The temptation to drink in Mount Isa,
where alcohol is available, must be strong. Nevertheless, leaving aside the
2 Information from Jessica in the course of oral hearing.
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incident on 4 January 2023, on which I place limited weight, there is no evidence
in the material of Jessica drinking to excess while caring for Tom in Mount Isa.
Jessica denies drinking to excess at this time.
j. The prior child protection notifications in relation to Tom and the other two
children are relevant and, other matters being equal would weigh in favour of the
order sought.
7. As such, I accept that Jessica’s parenting leaves a lot to be desired but that does not mean
that the Department necessarily succeeds in this application.
Application to proceed ex parte
8. The applicant applied to have the matter heard ex parte, that is, without giving the Jessica
the opportunity to be heard. Section 26 of the Child Protection Act 1999 (‘the Act’) gives
me jurisdiction to hear the application ex parte but does not require the matter proceed ex
parte.
9. In my view, there is no basis for deciding the application ex parte. It is a fundamental
procedural right for a party to be heard on matters which affect their rights. Chief Justice
French in a paper on procedural fairness quoted an early English decision which said:
“…that even God himself did not pass sentence upon Adam, before he was called upon to
make his defence.”3
10. The basis of the application to proceed ex parte in this matter was said to be urgency.4 In
these days of near universal access to mobile phones, urgency itself can rarely, if ever,
justify proceeding with a TAO or without, at least, offering a respondent parent the
opportunity to be heard.
11. The implications of proceeding ex parte are profound in child protection cases:
a. Even a conscientious applicant may not be aware of all the relevant and important
facts in a case and proceeding without the respondent increases the risk that the
Court will fall into error.
3 Chief Justice French, Procedural Fairness – Indispensable to Justice?, Sir Anthony Mason Lecture, 7 October
2010. https://www.hcourt.gov.au/assets/publications/speeches/current-justices/frenchcj/frenchcj07oct10.pdf
4 I note that the application states that Jessica intended taking Tom to another town for funeral at 12 noon on
the day of the application. This was said to support the idea that the application was urgent. Ultimately,
however, the application was not filed with the Court until after 3pm and, by the time of the oral hearing, it
was clear that Jessica had let go of the idea of travelling on 10 February 2023 because the Department this
application was being made.
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b. The decision to remove a child from a parent can have profound consequences.
Proceeding without hearing from a parent could tend to bring the Court into
disrepute, particularly in the eyes of respondents in child protection matters,
who’s personal histories often include abuse at the hands of those with authority
over them.
c. In child protection matters, the final result will sometimes flow from the results of
the initial applications because:
i. The best interests of the child have primacy under the Act. Often it will not
be in a child’s interest to remove the child from a placement in which they
are settled.
ii. Respondents in child protection matters will often be quite frail. A loss at
‘the first hurdle’, particularly if there is a perception of procedural
unfairness, can cause despair, anger or other behaviour that will work
against the parent later in the litigation.
12. There will be exceptions to the fundamental rule and, on rare occasions, the nature of the
threat posed by a parent or an inability to identify or contact a parent will justify an ex
parte hearing. There are no such circumstances in this case.
Validity of application
13. In my view the application is not a valid application because there is no statement of the
proposed arrangements for Tom’s care.
14. The application seeks an order taking the child into the Chief Executive’s care. Such an
application must state the proposed arrangements for Tom’s care, see s25(2)(c) of the
Act.
15. The application runs to 51 paragraphs over 18 pages but the purported statement of
proposed care runs to only 14 words:
“Tom will be placed with a departmentally approved carer while kinship options are
explored.”
16. Upon enquiry it transpired that no placement had actually been obtained for Tom and that
no placement could or would be obtained for Tom until after I had made the order sought.
17. I understand that the agency within the Department that deals with placements has a
policy of not approving or providing placements until after a Court order is made.
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18. I can imagine that there might be circumstances in which administrative convenience
could warrant such an approach but such a scheme is at odds with the statutory
requirement that the application state the proposed care arrangements.
19. The Application proceeds on the basis that a requirement to state “proposed care
arrangements” can be satisfied by stating “the applicant will ask our internal agency for
a care arrangement.” In my view this cannot satisfy the statutory requirement.
20. The statutory requirement for the application to state the proposed care arrangements
carries the necessary implication that I must consider the suitability of the proposed care
arrangements – otherwise the requirement would be meaningless.
21. If I am wrong in finding that a statement that a statement that “the Department will ask its
internal agency for a care arrangement” can never be a statement of the proposed
arrangement for the child’s care, I would still not grant the order on the basis that the care
arrangement proposed for Tom is uncertain and inappropriate because of Tom’s diagnosis
and particular behaviours.
22. I appreciate that the Department was trying to obtain a suitable placement for Tom but
those efforts were, at the time I heard the application, unsuccessful. I note the statement in
the Department’s Senior Team Leader’s email at 3:25pm on 10 February 2023 that the
department had “no offers” of a placement from a suitable care home, though there was
hope that a disabilities service provider might have a place. Even if there had been an
offer, the material contained no information about the particular skills-set of any potential
disability specific placement or how that skill-set might suit Tom’s particular diagnosis.
23. The care arrangements proposed by the Department are only one factor among the many
that a Magistrate must consider in deciding whether or not to make an order but where no
care suitable arrangement is advanced, it weighs heavily against the making of an order.
24. In this particular case, where Tom’s care needs are vast, I am left in a position of not
having a care arrangement to consider. In my view this is contrary to the necessary
implication in the legislation that I must consider the care arrangement before making an
order.
25. Moreover, I find that Tom’s diagnosis and behaviours are such that even if he were
removed from his mother he would not stay at a care home, however suitable, and would
simple leave and try to find her.
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Resolution on the merits
26. Even if I am wrong about the validity of the application and the suitability of the
placement, taking Tom into the care of the Department is not the answer to Tom’s
particular needs at the moment.
27. Even accepting, as I do, many of the Department’s various concerns, the solution for Tom
is to return him to the care of his grandmother, Judy. I am satisfied that Jessica intends
returning Tom to Judy as soon as she can and would gladly accept any assistance the
Department can offer her in this regard. There are flights on a weekly basis and Jessica is
willing to pay for such a flight and asserts an ability to pay.
28. I have considered whether Tom should be in the custody of the Department while waiting
for a flight. In my view, it is likely that Tom would become quite distresses if I removed
him from his mother and he would act out in harmful ways if he was removed from her
care. There is evidence in the material that he has distressing night-time behaviours, is
quite unsettled with new people and, if distressed, he will go missing, sometimes walking
substantial distances from safety.
29. Although I accept there is some risk to Tom in his current circumstances,5 there is less
risk than if I were to separate him from Jessica and it is in his best interests that I do not
make the order.
30. My declining to make this order does not remove the Department’s power to continue its
investigation. I am not satisfied that the investigation cannot be carried out absent an
order.
5 As set out at paragraphs 6 & 7, above.
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Official source: https://www.sclqld.org.au/caselaw/QChCM/2023/004