CDA v Commission for Children and Young People and Child Guardian [2012] QCAT 563
CITATION: CDA v Commission for Children and Young
People and Child Guardian [2012] QCAT 563
PARTIES: CDA
(Applicant)
v
Commission for Children and Young People and
Child Guardian
(Respondent)
APPLICATION NUMBER: CML186-11
MATTER TYPE: Childrens matters
HEARING DATE: 9 August 2012
HEARD AT: Townsville
DECISION OF: Ron Joachim, Member
Wayne Pennell, Member
DELIVERED ON: 2 October 2012
DELIVERED AT: Brisbane
ORDERS MADE: 1. The Commissioner’s decision to issue a
negative notice for CDA is confirmed.
2. The Tribunal prohibits the publication of
the name of the applicant, the applicant’s
witnesses and the name of any children
of the witnesses.
CATCHWORDS: Childrens matters – blue card – Review of
decision of Commission for Children and Young
People and Child Guardian to issue a negative
notice – whether protective factors outweigh risk
factors – whether case exceptional – whether a
risk of harm to children exists – whether non
publication order should be made
Child Protection Act 1999, s 9
Commission for Children and Young People and
Child Guardian Act 1999, ss 6, 155, 221, 226
Commission for Children and Young People and
Child Guardian v Maher & Anor [2004] QCA 492
Kent v Wilson [2008] VSC 98
Re TAA [2006] QCST 11
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R v Kelly [1999] 3WLR 1100
APPEARANCES and REPRESENTATION (if any):
APPLICANT: CDA represented himself
RESPONDENT: Commission for Children and Young People and
Child Guardian was represented by Ms Karyn
Alton
REASONS FOR DECISION
[1] CDA is the applicant in these proceedings. He applied for a blue card to
volunteer at a boxing gym and at a rodeo club in north Queensland. He
was issued a negative notice on 28 September 2011. This means his
application for a positive notice and blue card was rejected by the
Commissioner for Children and Young People and Child Guardian.
[2] CDA has a long association with the boxing industry both as a boxer as
well as a trainer. He has been involved in training children in boxing since
1991. His involvement in assisting children in rodeos commenced around
the mid 1990s. He has also been involved in football training.
[3] CDA has an extensive criminal history. This commenced in January 1964
and continued until May 2007.
[4] The criminal history includes both charges and convictions for a range of
offences. The more serious of these involve assault occasioning bodily
harm, possession of drugs, using a carriage service to menace, harass or
cause offence, breaking and entering, unlawful destruction of property and
theft.
[5] CDA acknowledged his lengthy criminal history but disputed the
circumstances regarding some of his offending behaviour. CDA accepted
that alcohol had been a significant factor in his offending behaviour. He
described himself in the past as being a scum bag.
[6] CDA applied to QCAT on 18 October 2011 for the Commissioner’s
decision to be reviewed so he could obtain a blue card.
[7] The application was heard on 9 August 2012.
[8] CDA has convictions and charges for offences other than a serious
offence under the Commissioner for Children and Young People and
Child Guardian Act 2000. As a result the commissioner must issue a
positive notice. However, if the commissioner is satisfied it is an
exceptional case in which it would not be in the best interests of children
for the commissioner to issue a positive notice, the commissioner must
issue a negative notice to the person. It is this that the Tribunal must
consider.
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[9] Section 226 of the Act outlines the various factors that the Tribunal must
take into account in deciding if CDA’s is an exceptional case. These
factors include the nature of the offence and charge, when it occurred, its
relevance to child related employment and any court imposed penalty.
[10] The Act does not define an exceptional case. However it is now well
established that the individual circumstances pertaining to the case must
be considered to determine whether the facts of a particular matter
constitute an exceptional case.1
[11] Section 6 outlines principles for administering the Act. It is to be
administered under the principle that the welfare and best interests of a
child are paramount. It is this that the Tribunal must apply. Section 155
further provides that:
“the paramount consideration in making a decision relating to employment
screening is a child’s entitlement to be cared for in a way that protects the
child from harm and promotes the child’s wellbeing”
The evidence
[12] DE gave evidence to the Tribunal by telephone. She is secretary of the
local horse club. She said that she has known CDA for approximately
seven years. Her only association with him is in relation to the horse club
activities. She described how CDA would bring his grandchildren to the
club and would help at clean up days and made trophies for the children.
He would also take children on rodeo circuits.
[13] She and the Committee had received a copy of CDA’s criminal record.
She advised the Tribunal that she had seen no outburst behaviour at the
club which caters for a wide age range from two up until adults. She
noted that CDA had travelled long distances with children to take them to
various events and that he helps at the club by assisting children on to the
calves.
[14] She noted that CDA’s grandson had been suspended from the club
because of the grandson’s behaviour and that CDA had been requested
by the club to work on certain matters with his grandson before his
grandson could return.
[15] DE advised that all the necessary steps had been taken and that CDA’s
grandson had now returned to the club.
[16] FJ gave evidence to the Tribunal that CDA had looked after her son X who
had lived with him for approximately two years following the death of X’s
father. She advised the Tribunal that CDA had never mistreated X and if it
hadn’t been for him X would have got into a lot of trouble.
1 Kent v Wilson [2000] VSC 98.
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[17] FJ said she met CDA at X’s fathers funeral. She was aware of CDA’s
criminal history in general but not of the details and she has not seen any
matters that would concern her.
[18] CDA said that he has turned his life around. He was on prescription
medication for pain relief including morphine for approximately two years.
He came off all of these drugs in 2009. He advised the Tribunal that
following the charge in 2006 where he was found guilty of using a carriage
service to menace, harass or cause offence he had stopped drinking rum
and has a couple of beers per night. He said that prior to this he was a
very heavy drinker.
[19] In a DVD which CDA provided to the Tribunal about his life he stated that
he was not a woman basher and hated drugs and drug users. In
response to questions about why two of his charges involved assaults
against women and why he had a number of drug offences he advised as
follows:
On one occasion he was being attacked by five people including a
woman and that woman suffered injuries as a result of him defending
himself.
On the second occasion he was attempting to get his daughter out of
a car and punched her boyfriend’s mother in the face.
[20] He advised the Tribunal that he has never been involved with illicit drugs.
His grandson had drugs at home which were apparently stolen and he
“took the rap for his grandson”. On an earlier occasion when he was
convicted for possessing dangerous drugs after pleading guilty, he
claimed he took the rap for a young person. He stated that he has never
hit a child and he has never had complaints from anyone about his
treatment of children.
[21] The Tribunal also had in evidence a report from a Psychiatrist Dr Keith
Muir dated 19 January 2012. This report was prepared following a referral
for a psychiatric evaluation. There was no formal testing undertaken and
the evaluation took place over a couple of interviews. Dr Muir, who was
not called as a witness, advised in his report that there would be no
indication based on his examination that should be any concern about him
having a blue card. Dr Muir concluded CDA does not have a diagnosable
mental illness, although he has some interesting character traits but not
enough to give him a diagnosis on DSM IV of the American Psychiatric
Associations Diagnostic and Statistical Manual.
[22] Also presented to the Tribunal was a certificate indicating that CDA had
attended a course of six sessions on anger management. This certificate
was dated 13 June 2012. In addition the Tribunal was in receipt of a brief
report from Mr Peter McRae, a Clinical Psychologist of the Alcohol,
Tobacco and Other Drugs Service from the District Health Service. In this
report Mr McRae noted that CDA reported making significant changes in
regard to his drinking practices over recent years and displayed pride in
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his efforts. Mr McRae concluded that CDA demonstrated a commitment
to maintaining the positive gains he has made in order to support his
family.
[23] CDA advised the Tribunal that at the anger management course he
recognised people who were similar to him twenty years ago. He advised
that he rarely goes out and now walks away from trouble. He stated that
the course opened his eyes a bit and that the course has quietened him
down in that he does not yell at people anymore.
[24] CDA made the following submissions to the Tribunal:
He wants to help children and he doesn’t want to see children getting
into trouble.
He has respect in the town and will help anyone out.
He wants to do something to give something back.
He does not want to get into trouble and he doesn’t want kids to be
on the street.
He submitted he is trying to do everything to be a respectable human
being.
He has proven that he doesn’t want to get into trouble anymore.
Why the Commissioner says CDA should not get a positive notice
[25] Ms Alton advised the Tribunal that the test to be applied is that CDA must
get a positive notice unless his is an exceptional case in which it is not in
the best interests of children for him to have a blue card.
[26] In relation to the report of Dr Muir her submission was that his final opinion
should be tempered because the Tribunal has not heard oral evidence
from him, there was no psychometric testing undertaken and that the
report is largely one of self report. In this regard the Tribunal needs to
consider how much weight should be given to it.
[27] Ms Alton submitted that the Tribunal must accept the convictions on the
criminal history noting that CDA does not deny any of them. The
Commission continues to have concerns in relation to CDA’s insight. The
Commission is also concerned about the contrast with CDA’s version of
events in relation to the offences involving women and how this contrasts
with the police evidence, particularly the incident involving his daughter
where she was dragged out of the car. Ms Alton notes this was not an
issue of self defence and that CDA’s behaviour was disproportionate to
the circumstances. She also submitted that CDA overreacted in a heavily
aggressive manner showing a lack anger control when he telephoned the
police in 2006 in a very threatening manner. She submitted that this 2006
offence was recent and the nature of it was of concern. She accepts the
recent changes in his lifestyle to which CDA referred in evidence.
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[28] Ms Alton referred to the long stretch of offending behaviour of CDA from
teenage years to his late fifties involving alcohol. She contrasted this with
the past six years where late in life there has been a relatively short period
of non-offending.
[29] Ms Alton submitted that in the DVD CDA minimises his offending and its
impact on the victims, noting again that he responded in a
disproportionate manner to the actions of others. She submitted that
insight was an important factor in determining whether a person is likely to
reoffend and referred the Tribunal to the case of TAA.2
[30] Ms Alton noted that CDA’s activities in relation to rodeo and boxing were
commendable.
[31] Finally she submitted that the Tribunal should, on the balance of
probabilities, be satisfied that CDA’s is an exceptional case and should
confirm the decision of the Commissioner. She also invited the Tribunal to
consider whether a non publication order should be made using s 66 of
the QCAT Act so that children can not be identified.
Is CDA an exceptional case
[32] We say it is.
[33] The Tribunal must take into account the factors in s 226 of the CCYPCG
Act in deciding whether an exceptional case exists. The Tribunal notes
that CDA has a very long criminal history which involves a range of
convictions and charges for offences including assault, drugs, using
telephones to harass, stealing, breaking and entering. The offences were
committed between 1964 when CDA was almost 14 years of age until
2007 when he was 57 years of age. None of the offences were against
children, although there were occasions in which children were present
when the offences or alleged offences took place. This occurred in
relation to a small number of offences involving drugs and assaults.
[34] The penalty imposed by the Court included jail terms, as well as significant
number of fines. Some of the charges were dismissed or there was no
evidence to offer. These however, are in the minority.
[35] CDA accepts that his behaviour in the past was inappropriate and he
expressed some sorrow for this in his application indicating he was not
proud of what he had done. During the hearing he referred to himself as a
“scum bag” when he was behaving inappropriately.
[36] The Tribunal has identified potential risk factors and potential protective
factors following the example in Commission for Children and Young
2 TAA re [2006] QCST 11.
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People and Child Guardian v Maher and Anor.3 The potential protective
factors for the applicant, CDA, are:
There has been no violence against children.
CDA’s referees were very positive about his involvement with
children.
He has been involved for a long period in sporting activities involving
children and has provided significant assistance to both children and
organisations through boxing and rodeo.
He has provided trophies for a long time for rodeo competitions.
He has given up alcohol and has not reoffended since then.
He has a long term friendship with a former girlfriend.
He has undertaken an anger management course albeit recently.
He has a strong desire to help others, particularly children.
He has taken himself off all prescription medication.
[37] The potential risk factors are:
A lengthy criminal history of over 40 years.
Past alcohol abuse.
History of violence against both men and women.
Impulsivity and over reaction to circumstances leading to violence.
Limited insight into the impact of his behaviour on others.
[38] The evidence from Dr Muir and the lay witnesses strongly indicate that
CDA poses no risk of harm to children. The Tribunal found that CDA was
an honest witness and was very open and frank in the DVD that he
provided about his life to the Tribunal.
[39] For a matter to be exceptional it must be different from the norm. It means
the case is one that does not occur regularly or routinely.4
[40] CDA’s previous lifestyle and criminal history do not occur regularly. They
are exceptional. There is relevance to child related employment because
in some of his offending there were children present.
[41] The Tribunal accepts CDA has changed his lifestyle and behaviour.
However the Tribunal accepts the Commissioner’s submissions that he
has excessively overreacted in the past, and that his very lengthy
offending behaviour contrasts with a relatively short period of non-
offending.
3 Commission for Children and Young People and Child Guardian v Maher & Anor [2004]
QCA 492.
4 R v Kelly [1999] 3 WLR 1100.
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[42] The Tribunal is not satisfied that CDA has demonstrated full insight into
his offending behaviour.
[43] The Tribunal is satisfied that CDA’s is an exceptional case in which it
would not be in the best interests of children for him to have a positive
notice and blue card.
[44] The Commissioner’s decision to issue a negative notice is confirmed.
Confidentiality and non publication
[45] Ms Alton raised with the Tribunal the possibility of invoking section 66 of
the QCAT Act so that the identity of children associated with CDA would
be protected.
[46] Reference has been to CDA’s grandson and the son of a witness. The
Tribunal does not consider it appropriate that the public be able to identify
them as they have a right to anonymity.
[47] In these circumstances the Tribunal will make a non publication order in
respect of the applicant’s name, the witnesses’ names and the names of
their children in the interests of justice. These reasons will be published in
a deidentified format.
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Official source: https://www.sclqld.org.au/caselaw/QCAT/2012/563