Comkey Pty Ltd & Heaven Developments Pty Ltd v Caboolture Shire & Ors [2005] QPEC 14
Tu-co~] QPEC 014
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PLANNING AND ENVIRONMENT COURT
JUDGE ALAN WILSON SC
No BD217 of 2005
COMKEY PTY LTD (ACN 098 487 739)
AND HEAVEN DEVELOPMENTS PTY LTD
ACN 092 442 549)
and
CABOOLTURE SHIRE COUNCIL
and
CUPOSA PTY LTD
and
REVISED COPIES ISSUED
State Reporting Bureau
Date: 3 March, 2005
Appellants
Respondent
First Co-Respondent
WARWICK SINCLAIR AND LYNETTE SINCLAIR Second Co-Respondent
BRISBANE
.. DATE 24/02/2005
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HIS HONOUR: Directions are sought in an appeal against a
deemed refusal of the appellant's application for a material
change of use of land at Beachmere. The matter came before
the Court on the 16th of February when it was informally
allocated 10 days in the June pool but otherwise adjourned to
yesterday the 23rd.
The appellant seeks directions incorporating, among other
things, steps leading to a hearing of any preliminary legal
issues on the 11th of March, a timetable leading to a hearing
in the June pool, the active involvement of a solicitor as a
facilitator from an early stage whose tasks would include
meeting with the parties and their experts and mediating the
resolution for a final list of issues but not, as I understood
the draft, actual ADR of the case itself, and finally case
management including management through e-chambers.
The first co-respondent owns an adjoining parcel and has filed
an appeal against council's deemed refusal of its development
application. That appeal is listed for a directions hearing
on the 9th of March. This appellant has signified that it
opposes an order that the two appeals be heard together.
The council informs that it will decide its attitude to the
appellant's application at a meeting next Tuesday, the 1st of
March. The co-respondents opposed case management to the
intensive degree proposed by the appellant. It is an
unassailable proposition, I think, that there is a symmetry in
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the potential issues in this appeal and that now brought by
the first co-respondent.
The parcels are joined and the development proposals involve
similar uses. It is presently unknown, of course, what pool
the first co-respondent will aim for, but that aside for the
moment, the concordance of issues and parties means that,
again without prejudging the issue, there is at least a
possibility that sensible case management of both appeals
dictates that they be heard at the same time if not
necessarily concurrently or simultaneously.
That prospect must be considered in the face of this
appellant's entitlement to have its appeal heard with
reasonable expedition. It is appropriate, I think, to balance
these competing interests and circumstances by allowing this
appellant to embark upon the steps necessary to advance its
appeal but to postpone final directions until the hearing of
the first co-respondent's applications for directions on the
9th of March.
This does involve, I acknowledge, some disadvantage to this
appellant but that has to be balanced against the Court's need
to husband its own limited resources and use them as best it
can for the benefit of all parties before it. That need
dictates the course I propose.
The draft directions ~rder proffered by this appellant
anticipates the possibility of issues being raised in the
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appeal which might be determined on a preliminary basis, and
·as I have said, nominates 11 March for their determination.
The material does not, however, identify those issues and I
think it is precipitate to anticipate them. That is not to
say that they may not exist but there is not presently any
compelling reason, I think, to issue complex directions about
them.
I think the better course is require the respondents to
provide a list of issues, the grounds upon which they say the
application ought not be approved by the 2nd of March, that is
the day after the council meets. The appellant is anxious to
press on so if it seeks better particulars of those issues it
can do so by delivering a request by say late on the 4th of
March.
In accordance with the views I have expressed, the
determination of the balance of the directions to be given in
this matter will be adjourned to the 9th of March to be heard
with the first co-respondent's application. Before dealing
with the precise terms of the order, however, I want to say a
few things about some other parts of the draft directions
orders presented yesterday.
First, I am a proponent of case management and the use of
e chambers. E-chambers presently lacks utility in that actual
hearings cannot, so far as I read the UCPR, be conducted
exclusively through it, but it enables the managing Judge and
the parties to keep each other informed about progress and to
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transmit such things as submissions and draft documents in 1
advance of hearings. I think it will be an essential element
in any orders in this matter and the other appeal and should
be incorporated in both.
Secondly, I applaud adventurousness in thinking about ways the
parties can use expertise outside the Court to narrow and
resolve issues. This is a jurisdiction in which things like
conclaves of experts and ADR is frequently beneficial in
saving costs in the long run. In the present case an
interesting procedure has been proposed whereby a very
experienced solicitor in the jurisdiction takes an active role
in settling issues.
I do not think such a process is generally inappropriate but
it may be precipitated where, as here at present, the issues
have not been adumbrated on the respondent's side or
crystallised. All of the parties, I observe, are represented
by experienced people. Again, my experience suggests they
have an innate capacity to identify and limit issues without
outside assistance.
The process of conclaving experts, particularly before they
have written their reports, has also been shown to be salutary
in resolving or, at least, limiting issues in many cases. I
do not wish to discourage parties from thinking about the
conduct of their appeals in an inventive and perhaps
reasonably described ·as refreshing way.
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Where, however, it is proposed that considerable expense be
incurred engaging an outside person to identify and limit
issues, I think there needs to be evidence before the Court
firstly, that the issues will be many and complex and,
secondly, that there is, on the balance of probabilities, a
measurable risk that without active independent guidance and
intervention the parties will embark upon a trial in
circumstances where issues are insufficiently clear or
excessive in the sense that parties advance evidence
supporting issues which in truth have no relevance, substance
or weight.
I hasten to say that these propositions are neither exhaustive
nor final. Each case carries its own oddities. What can be
said in the present case is that absent evidence of the second
kind of problem at this early stage, the appointment of a
facilitator with the duties proposed is not an overwhelming
proposition. That is not to say that it may not become
compelling as the matters progress and I am not to be taken to
be dismissing the notion forever in this appeal.
The same comments apply to ADR, by which here I mean
mediation, which has not been sought. I have assumed that is
because the presence of significant, competing, commercial
interests makes it, in the minds of the parties and their
lawyers, unlikely that a final resolution by mediated
compromise can be achieved. That is plainly an important
consideration.
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The legislation leaves the discretion to order ADR unfettered 1
but the obvious considerations are the likelihood that
mediation will resolve a matter or part of it. In litigation
of the potential size and complexity of these appeals, the
benefits of a failed mediation, nevertheless reducing the
number of issues between the parties, is not to be ignored.
It seems to me, again being cautious not to anticipate or be
seen to prejudge issues in this or the other appeal, that when
the issues have been identified in both there may be scope and
benefit in revisiting these questions. It is appropriate to
note too that no reason has been advanced why this matter
cannot be placed in the June pool. That is something the
first co-respondent will no doubt take into account when
formulating its draft directions for 9 March.
In the interim I expect the parties to this and Mr Hughes'
client's appeal to liaise and discuss what has been considered
today with a view to agreement, if possible, about future
directions in both matters touching these things: The
appropriateness of the matters being heard in close proximity
or together; total hearing times; sensible concurrent
timetables; the reduction of issues; case management and
dispute resolution.
The orders I have already signified I consider are appropriate
are firstly to direct that the respondent and co respondents
deliver a list of issues, that is to say, grounds upon which
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they contend the appellant's application ought not be approved 1
by 4.30 p.m. on the 2nd of March 2005.
Now, Mr Hughes, that adopts clause 1 of your draft so I assume
you've got nothing more to say about that?
MR HUGHES: No, your Honour.
HIS HONOUR: And, Mr Kevin, your council's meeting on Tuesday.
You should be able by Wednesday afternoon to tell us the
issues?
MR KEVIN: Yes, your Honour.
HIS HONOUR: All right. Thank you.
The second order in terms that if the appellant requires
further and better particulars of those issues it deliver a
request by 4.30 on Friday the 4th of March.
Mr Haydon, you can manage that?
MR HAYDON: Yes. I've got a draft order here that anticipates
some of this so I can hand that up in a minute.
HIS HONOUR: The third matter that I think the directions
order should address are paragraphs 23 and 24 of your previous
draft, Mr Haydon. I don't know if you've got one there,
Mr Kevin, but paragraph 23 asked you to provide the
appellant's solicitors a copy of a traffic assessment report
and so on for which, as I understand the material, the
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appellant has tendered fees. Do you have any difficulty with 40
an order in terms of paragraph 23?
MR KEVIN: Only so much - only so far as it goes this way. I
think that's an order that's been placed in the draft without
any great explanation other than some material suggests that
the council asked for the appellant to pay for it. That's not
entirely true, and without attempting to explain that from the
Bar table too much, the reality of it is that the council
makes an estimate of what time and effort and resources will
be required to assess further aspects of an application. It 50
did so in this case. It indicated the amounts in that sort of
vicinity.
The reality of it is that the costs of those reports were more
than the figures expressed in the material. I would ask this,
that if the appellant wants such an order then they should
persuade your Honour why they should be provided to them prior
to the process of disclosure and, secondly why, pursuant to
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the terms of that order, that those documents or copies of 1
those documents should be provided to them but not to anyone
else.
HIS HONOUR: All right. Well, that takes me on to paragraph
24. I was thinking at this point there's perhaps no
significant impediment to at least setting a timetable for the
disclosure process. On or before the 1st of March is, I think
it should be clear from the reasons I've already given, too
speedy, but is there any reason that that disclosure ought not 10
commence shortly?
MR KEVIN: Not at all. As it turns out, your Honour, I was
able to get copies of the files yesterday and so part of my
problem no longer exists.
HIS HONOUR: All right. Well, does that answer - I mean, if
we give disclosure, say if we anticipate disclosure in the
week commencing the 7th of March, does that address what
you're seeking in paragraph 23, Mr Hughes - sorry, Mr Haydon, 20
you'll get them soon.
MR HAYDON: Yes.
HIS HONOUR: Mr Hughes, do you want to say anything about
disclosure?
MR HUGHES: Only this, your Honour, with issues to be
nominated by the 2nd of March-----
HIS HONOUR: Yes.
MR HUGHES: -----the other directions hearing anticipated by
the 9th of March, one wonders if the earliest for disclosure
ought to be some time after the 9th which I think is a
Wednesday, probably the 11th.
HIS HONOUR: That seems sensible to me. Mr Haydon, you'll
have your disclosure pretty speedily.
MR HAYDON: Well, Mr Barr did tell me on the first - last week
that he didn't have any trouble with that timetable. Mr Kevin
doesn't. Could I suggest somewhere in between and have it by
the 8th?
HIS HONOUR: Any further bids, Mr Hughes?
MR HUGHES: Well, the only difficulty about that is it sort of
- I would anticipate in good faith that I would recommend to
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days after the directions hearing, that is, on the 11th,
that's why I sort of-----
MR HAYDON: You win. He can win.
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HIS HONOUR: The third order then will be disclosure by all
parties on or before the 11th of March.
MR HAYDON: An inspection by the 15th, I think that's going to
be a Monday. Your Honour, that's not a Monday, my apologies.
The 11th a Friday.
HIS HONOUR: No, it's a Tuesday. Does that give you all time
to collate - make any documents available for inspection?
MR HAYDON: I would've thought so, your Honour.
HIS HONOUR: Mr Hughes?
MR HUGHES: I can't - I don't have instructions on that but,
look, I don't really resist it other than to say that if we're
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aiming for a June pool hearing it may be just cramping things. 20
One doesn't like to exceed the orders which just make rods for
people's backs unless-----
HIS HONOUR: I appreciate that.
MR HAYDON: Well, I don't want to make a rod for the experts'
back. I'm anticipating that by the 9th of March, if we are to
get ready for June, for the experts will want to meet around
about the 12th of April. Well, the 15th of March to the 12th
of April is just over three weeks, close to four, sort of 30
thing, so they need to consider that so we don't want to be
rushing that part of it. Wednesday the 16th is suggested. I
have no problem with that.
HIS HONOUR: Mr Kevin, does that suit you?
MR KEVIN: Yes, your Honour.
HIS HONOUR: Order 4 then will be inspection on or before the 40
16th of March. Order 5 will be matter listed in June pool.
You said eight days yesterday, Mr-----
MR HAYDON: Yes, your Honour.
HIS HONOUR: All right.
MR HAYDON: Would it be of assistance for me to hand up a
draft that's got a few crossings out on it or you've just
about finished it?
HIS HONOUR: Look, I've got some notes here, thank you all the
same.
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MR HAYDON: Fine.
HIS HONOUR: June pool for eight days, call-over for the June
pool is 16 May and review
MR HAYDON: 4th of May was my suggestion.
HIS HONOUR: Yes, I think early rather than late, gentlemen.
Review 4th of-----
MR HAYDON: Well, some time in April.
HIS HONOUR: No. I think what we'll do on the 9th of March
when things are a little clearer concerning Mr Hughes'
client's appeal is consider whether or not we should actually
have an extra review date at some point in the interim, but
for the moment 4th of May.
MR HAYDON: Thank you, your Honour.
HIS HONOUR: And as I signified a moment ago, Mr Hughes,
Mr Kevin, I want to take you both by the hand and lead you
into the wonders of e-chambers. Anything to say about that,
Mr Hughes?
MR HUGHES: If I knew anything about it, your Honour, I'd
probably have a lot to say about it At present, like a small
boy, I'll just whistle as I'm taken into the dark.
HIS HONOUR:
happy there.
It's a wondrous new land, Mr Hughes, we'll all be
Mr Kevin?
MR KEVIN: Yes, well someone in my office is becoming
immediately au fait with-----
HIS HONOUR: All right. As I said a moment ago, and the
problem has already come up since we reintroduced e-chambers
at the end of last year, the difficulty that I see with it is
that the UCPR was written by Judges and lawyers who were
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themselves antipathetic to the notion and I can't see how the 40
present rules permit parties to do what ideally I think
e chambers ought to do, and that is enable us to hear and
determine interim matters and interlocutory matters in a way
which means none of us ever leave our desks. I think the
rules presently force us to come back to courtrooms but we'll
look at that, but it's immediate benefit is that it enables -
it provides one central e-mailing facility where all of the
parties can keep each other informed and see what's going on
and chase each other. I will run over the orders, gentlemen.
Firstly----- 50
MR HAYDON: Could I just-----
HIS HONOUR: Yes, Mr Haydon.
MR HAYDON: -----ask for one further order for which I
understand there's no opposition. Paragraph 1-----
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HIS HONOUR: Yes.
MR HAYDON: -----is to be heard and determined on that
attached layout plan.
HIS HONOUR: Yes. I hadn't addressed that. Is there any
opposition to that?
MR HUGHES: No, it only affects stage 1 and one other minor
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HIS HONOUR: So order 1 will be as para 1 of Mr Haydon's draft
order and just for the sake of the record I will state it:
"The appeal shall be heard and determined on the development
layout plan drawings number C5307/04/P4 for stage 1 of the 20
proposed shops and the proposed tavern and car-parking for
those facilities. Copy attached."
Secondly, I direct the respondent and co-respondent, that is
to say grounds upon which they contend the appellant's
application ought not be approved by 4.30 p.m. on the 2nd of
March.
Thirdly, I direct that the appellant deliver any request for
further and better particulars of those issues by 4.30 p.m. on
the 4th of March. Fourthly, disclosure by all parties on or
before the 11th of March. Fifthly, inspection on or before
the 16th of March.
Sixthly, matter listed in the June pool for eight days and for
the call-over on the 16th of May and review on the 4th of May
and the seventh order will simply be the standard e-chambers
order.
MR HAYDON:
apologise.
There is one thing I overlooked, and I do
Once we've delivered the request for further and
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better particulars by 4.30 on the 4th of March, could they be 1
answered by 4.30 on the 11th of March.
HIS HONOUR: That gives you a week, Mr Hughes. Mr Kevin, is
that sufficient? Mr Hughes, is that enough time for you?
MR HUGHES: Look, I think so, your Honour.
HIS HONOUR: All right. Mr Kevin?
MR KEVIN: Yes, your Honour.
HIS HONOUR: I will amend the third order by adding; such
particulars to be delivered by 4.30 p.m. on 11 March.
Mr Hughes, if it's not an unfair question, on the 9th of
March, as your instructions presently stand, do you expect
you'll be looking for the June pool?
MR HUGHES: Yes, your Honour.
HIS HONOUR: Thank you.
MR HUGHES: Your Honour, just one other thing.
HIS HONOUR: Yes.
MR HUGHES: Perhaps in this matter it should be adjourned for
mention to the 9th of March also. I thought-----
HIS HONOUR: I am sorry, I intended to do that, you're quite
right. I'll make that-----
MR HUGHES: Perhaps some more orders need to be made.
HIS HONOUR: Yes. I will add an eighth order, further mention
9.15 on the 9th of March.
Can I ask for an undertaking from one of you to communicate
the gist of those orders to Mr Barr?
MR HAYDON: Yes. Could I make two suggestions?
HIS HONOUR: Yes.
MR HAYDON: I'll draw it up and send it over as a word
document to your Honour's associate and I'm happy if
corrections are made and sent back if I've made mistakes.
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HIS HONOUR: All right. Yes, that would be most helpful, 1
Mr Haydon. I'll-----
MR HAYDON: Give you a draft to initial then of course.
HIS HONOUR: Yes, I'm out of the State tomorrow but we'll see
how you go.
MR HAYDON: I'll see what I can do this afternoon. The other
thing is would your Honour be publishing those reasons because 10
I'd like to give them to the client?
HIS HONOUR: I've had them recorded and they'll be available
as a transcript, Mr Haydon.
MR HAYDON: All right. We'll order the transcript then.
HIS HONOUR: Yes, certainly. Thank you, gentlemen.
THE COURT ADJOURNED AT 12.58 P.M.
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