CG Smith v Department of Administrative Services [1993] QIRC 297 (1993) 143 QGIG 686
686 QUEENSLAND GOVERNMENT INDUSTRIAL GAZETTE [ 13 August, 1993
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QUEEN SLAND IN DU STR IAL RELATIONS COMM ISSION
Industrial Relations Act 1990
s. 11.3 7 - applicarion for re insta tement
C.G. Sm ith
AND
Departme nt of Admi nistrative Servi ces
!No. 8388 of 1991)
COMM ISSIONER DEMPSEY
30 Ju ly 1993
Con tin uation i n Employmen t - Re instatement to Former Position
- Pre li minary Issue - - Ju risdiction of Commi ss ion -- Q ues tion as
to Whether D i sm issa l Occurred - App licant Employed at Lower
Class ification Level - Contract of Emp loyment - Case La w -
Commission Has Jur isdiction to Hear Mati er
DECIS IO N
The appl ican t i n this matter Mr C. G. Smi th co n ten ds he has been
dismissed from a position he held as Ma nager, Executive Support
branch in the Department of Ad ministrative Services and seeks the
interven ti on of the Industrial Relations Commission to overturn
that decision.
The ap plication w as lodged on 25 September 1991 and is
couched in terms that cou ld be described as unfamiliar in matters
such as thi s.
The matter was set for prel im inary hearing on 20 No vember 1991
and du ri ng the process of that hearing the Crown acknowledged
that in fact Mr Smi th so ught r el ief an d that the application was
bas ed on i ss u es that surrounded reinstatement (page 2 of
Tran sc rip t). It was further acknowledged or contended by the
Crown that the Industrial Commission had j ur isdiction to deal
w ith the matter and i n response to some prompting from the
Commi ss ion Mr Re ill y at p age 7 of transcr ipt states:-
" No . I am say ing th at the Commission has jurisdiction because
the di smissal hasn '1 occurred. If a di sm i ssa l had occurred, then I
wo uld say th at we had a su bst an ti al argument for th e jur isdiction.
Bu t the public in terest argument I am putti ng is tha t there is a
pr ocess that is well in tra in under a specific piece of legisl a1 ion,
and I'm saying: why should th e Commission th en inlertere with
that process at thi s stage . I'm say i ng that interference is not
w ithi n the pu bli c interest and therefore i n terms of section 8.2 it
shou ld refrain from further heari ng."(un de rl ining is min e).
Then having been sat isfi ed that Mr Smi th 's positi on wa s i n
jeopar dy and tha t the prospects of di smi ssa l were real isti c the
matter was adjourned on th e basis that the Commission wo uld
deal w ith th e application on 2 Ma rch 1992.
At the requ est of the As sociation of Profess ion al Engi n eers,
Australia, Queensland branch, Un ion of Emplo yees, th e matter
has not been proceeded wit h until 5 May 1993 and at the
commencemen t of that hearing Mr Kimber on beha lf of the
Crown contends that th e Industri al Commi ss ion should not
pro ceed to hear the matter as ii does not have th e j urisdic ti on to
do so on two princ ipl e ground s: -
, . The applica nt h as not b een dismissed.
2. The maiter h as been dea!t w i th under the provisio ns of
another Act.
Wit h respect to the first matter, i n proceedings on 20
Novem be r 1991 i t was sugges ted by the Crow n that because the
di smissa l h asn't occurred the Commi ss ion has ju risdicti on to
intercede, then on 5 May 1993 it is con tended that because
di smissa l hasn 't occurred the Commission d oes not have
jur i sd iction in accordance w i th the prov isions of section 11.37,
therefore the question I mu st ad d ress is wh ich submission, that is
Mr Rei ll y's or that of M r Ki mber should be responded to. I have
decided to accept the most rece nt submission si mply because i t is
current an d should refl ect the p os ition of the employer at th is
po int in time. It is under th ese circu ms tan ces that I have to
ad dr ess the question of dismi ssa l given t ha t the r es ponden t
conten ds a di sm issal has not occurred.
Beio re d ea ling with this i ssue I should tak e the opportunity
to advi se advocates w ho find themsel ves dealing w ith a matter
th at has been part heard and not dealt with by them se lves to at
l east become fam iliar with what h as been put to the Commi ssion
an d why it has been put in order to avoid confl icting su bmi ssion s
in future matters.
D i sm i ssa l ca n be by way of a dear precise an d dir ec t
i ns truction of an employer to an employee or a superior to a
su bordinate, or. the other hand it ca n be indirect, suggested or pu t
to an empl oyee in a manner that the employee fin ds di fficu lt to
reject and therefore a constructive dismi ssal may have taken pl ace
or more su rreptitio us ly a posi ti on that once exi sted no longer
exists an d therefore an employee is effectively made or decla r ed
redund an t whi l e the need for that fu nc ti on remains.
In this matter th e applicant contends he h as been di smi ssed
from th e substan tive position he held as Manager, Exec utive
Support Branch w i th sa lary at th e AO8 level and n ow occupies a
posi ti on at level PO 4.
Th e Crown con tends that M r Sm i th has accep ted this new
positio n at the PO4 level, however the issue of acceptance i s
clearly di spu ted.
All tha t I have before me are the co n ten ti ons or submissions
of the advoc ates. There is no evidence to sup port either view and
therefore under these circumst ances I am pe r suade d by the fact
th at this applica ti on is being pur su ed, that Mr Sm it h contin u es to
dispute the loss of his previous position and his wo rking in hi s
current position must be regarded as being undertak en without
acquiescence or agreement.
In cons idering whether in fa ct a dismi ssal has ta ken pl ace I
have been pe rs ua d ed by the au tho rity referred to in the matter of
Craig Dunstan and the National Mu tual Li fe Associati on of
Austral asia Li mit ed by h is H onour Jud ge Duggan where the
fo llow i ng is referred to:-
"ln Macken McCarry and Sappi deen, 'Th e Law of
Employment' 2nd ed to w hic h reference was made by both
counsel at p. 103, appears the following passage: -
• Unl ess the initi al co nt ;act a li ows it, we suggest that an
agreed ch ange of jo b or a re-grading w i ll alm os t always
amount to a term ination oi the exi st ing con tract an d the
com mencemen t of a new one bv consent. In the
absence oi a co ntract al low ing i i the employer cannot
force changes on an employee. An attempt to do so
w i ll in vo lve the employer in a breach of con trac t if he
presses his req uirements in the manner exemplified in
Mo lesworths case ."'
Re fer " Tru th and Spo11sman Li mited" v Mo lesworth ( 1956 AR
924 NSW Arbitra ti on Re port s).
Mo lesworth w as dow ngrad ed from B grade to C grade
journali st.
A simi l ar ma tter i s reported in the Western Austra li an
Indu st ri al Gazette of 26 November 1980, p2291, Australi an
Journali sts Association and W ri gh t Prospecting Pty. Ltd. where
downgrading occurs an d the qu estion of di sm i ssal is upheld as
was the p os ition in Mo lesworth' s case.
I have al so co nsider ed the c irwmsta n ces i n th is matter as
having so me sim il arities to that confron ted by G. C. Jones and
Director General, Department of Premier, Economic and Trade
Developmen t w hic h fir st came before the the n Chief Industrial
Commissioner Led lie, reported QGIG 21 December 199 1 Vo! 138
No. 30 p ages 13 15- 131 8 where i t was contend ed tha t Jon es had
not been dismi ssed and the ju ri sdic ti on of th e Commi ssion 10 deal
w ith the matter was challenged. Commi ssioner Led li e ruled the
Commission had ju ri sd ict ion.
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This matter was dealt w it h under appeal and in the deci sion
of the Presi dent, Jus ti ce Moynihan, the fo ll owing can be
found: -(QGIG 18-4-92 Vol 139 No 28 p ages 840-842)
" It w ill be r eca l led that the seco nd basis of th e appl icants
argument was that the res ponden t having chosen the option
which he did could not be sa id 10 have been di sm is sed. It
wi II be noted th at the electi on offer ed by sect ion 20(4) of 1he
Pub li c Se rvi ce Man age m en t and Empl oyme nt Act
1988- 1989 was to co ntinue as an officer.
Th ere is no dou bt that the term inati on of lhe respond en ts
employment under the con tract embraced in the ag reement
was affected by the decision of th e Governor-i n-Coun cil.
Th at the respondent might have avoided th at outcome by
accep!ing its termi nation b ut con ti nuing as an o fficer does
not, lor present purp oses seem to be the point. His
appoi ntm en t was in fact and law te rmi na ted ."
In the matter of Jones v Pre miers Departmen t ,he question of
dism issal was canvassed at some length and h av ing co nsidered
the decisions of th en Chief Com mi ssioner Led lie and the
President, it would appear to me that the appli ca nt in thi s matter
in so fa r as the que st ion of dismi ss al is concerned is in a simi lar
posi tion if not the sa me position 10 that of Jones .
By be ing dow ngraded from a position at AO8 level 10 PO4,
and tak ing i nto consideration the circumstances, i. e. , forced
change, I am of the opi nion that fo r relevani purp oses Sm i th
shou ld be rega rded as havi ng been dismissed.
Th e second matter ra i sed by the Crown is probably of more
importance as it is likely to be ra i sed every time a public serva nts
employment is terminated given the f act th at avenu es are
avail ab le to address gri evances i ncluding those p resc ribed by the
Industrial Re lations Act. It i s under these circumst ances I have
consider ed the res pondents co ntention, the provi sions of section
5(9) 1ogether w ith a ll of the provi sions oi section 5 of the Pu b lic
Service Management Ac t and the prov isions of sec ti on 16. 1 of the
Industrial relati ons Act (which I w i ll refer to later as I am of the
view that these provi sions are inextricably li nk ed and design ed to
co mplimen t the other. They are no t d es igned nor orchestrated to
create co nfusion, dive rsi on or dilemma).
D ur ing the course of proceedi ngs on 5/5/9 3 I requested that
copi es oi the ap1; lications to the Commissioner io r Public Sector
Equ ity bP. provi aed lo me for considera ti on. My request was
compli ed w i th an d Mr Pu ls for the /\p pl icant provided fou r
documents {exhibi t 5) under the heading .. No ti ce Fo r fa ir
Trea tment Appe al " . The,e documen t, seek the ap1)licant's detai l s,
the b asis of appeal and the rea sons io r appeal.
I have co nsidered th ese documents an d conclude as
Fo ll ows:-
1. The appeal or r ev iew is abo ut fair trea1 men t an d the
process or lack oi process provided 10 the aggr i eved
party.
2. Th e appeal is based on what is referred to as a sta n da rd
for iair treatment.
3. The reaso ns for su ch an appe al are based on the
allega ti on tha t the Depar!men t of Ad mini strative ~ervices
did not io l iow i,s grievance procedure 30/8/91 ,
bre.iched secti on l .8 of the Public Sector Ma nagement
St andard ior Cr ievance procedt..res 16. 9 91, breached
respo nsi bi liti es to un ion and PSM C procedures 25/9/9 1,
nei ther the spi rit no r 1he substance of PSMC directions
r ega rding redundancies w ere carried ou t 30/9/91.
·rh ese gri evances h ave been considered and in a decision
dated 20/1 /92 Ms J.Y . Norton for the Commi ss ioner for Public
Sector Equ ity l1 phel cl Mr Smith 's appeal an d gave re.isons for
doing so (exhibit 1, appen dix 5).
The determinati on made by the tribunal is also of i mpo rtan ce
as i t requires the Department of Adm ini st rat ive Services to revi ew
the applicant 's su itabi lity for a ll appropriate posi tions w ithin the
Department, to assess his sk ill s, know ledge and ability and
refrained from making a final determination on the matter 01
redeploymen t bui prov ided leave to see k a further h earing to
consider Sm i th's SL1 i tabil i1 y fo r any vacant po~i t ion(sJ in the
Department at .'108 or /\07 level but only ii su ch p os ition s exist.
The Tri bunals invol vemen t continued .tn d eventuai iy a
p os ition at PO4 was iound .
For relevant purposes I have considered sec tion 5 in i ts
total ity and find of inter est the follow ing subsections including
.5.9: -
"5. 1 Obj ect of Pa,1
(a) .. .
(b) to preserve and declare the ju risdiction oi the
Indus tri al Commi ssion to hear and determine matters
relating 10 such grievances in cenain cases and in
general where i t is in the pu bl ic i nter est.
5.3 (a) ...
(b) all di sciplinary ac tion taken pu rsua nt to the Public
Servi ce ,'v1a nagement and Emp loymen t Act 1988 -1990
exce pt dismi ssa l of an officer.
5.9 Jurisdi cti on of Industrial Commission. (1) The
prov isions of th is secti on are in tend ed to be read and construed
w ith the provisio ns of the Industrial Conciliation and Arbitration
Act 1961 - 1989.
( 2) Th e Industri al Commi ss i on h as j urisdic1ion to hear and
determine an industrial matter brought be fore it by an
occupational group concern ing -
a decision made or purportedly m ade applying a
remuneration standard to the posi tion or class or position
held by an employee or empl oyees represented by the
occupational group;
or
a fa ilure to take ac tion to apply a remun eraiion standard to
such a position,
not wit h sta nding that the Classifi ca tion Revi ew Tri bunal has
j uri sd ic ti on to hear and determine or h as heard and
determined the matter.
In exe rcising the j urisdiction preserved and con fe rred by this
su b sec tion the In du st rial Commi ssion m ay ma ke an order
varyi ng or modifying a remunerat ion standard in i ts
app li cation to the employees repr esente d before the
Commi ss i on, and any such order has effect according 10 i ts
te nor no tw i thsta nding any other prov ision oi this Acl.
l3) Su bject to subsection (2), the Industrial Commi ss ion
d oes no t have j ur is di ction to hear 2,nd determine any rnatter th at
is w ithin the ju risd iction of an appeal tribun al to hear and
determine or that an appeal trib unal had heard and determined
unl ess it is sati sfied that it is in the pubiic interes t th at it do so .
(4) The Industrial Commi ss i on has Juri sd ic ti on to hear and
determine, as an industrial matter -
i a) an applicati on for reinstatement by a person wh o has
been di sm ,ssed from the public serv ice pursu an t to
sec tion 29 of the Public Service Management and
Fmployme111 Act 1988-- 1990;
(b) an appli cat ion by a per son who i s agg ri eved by a matter
that an appeal tribunal wou ld have no jurisdict ion to
h ea r on appeal because-
the person is an officer or employee o f;
other pe r sons w i th whom the per son wou ld be jo ined
i n such an appeal are officers or employees o f;
or
a party to such an appeal wou ld be,
the Pu b lic Sector Management Commi ss ion.
(5) In addition to the powers conferred li po n i i by the
i nd11stria/ Collciliation and Arbitra tion Act 1961 - 1989. the
Industrial Co rn rn ission in exercising the jt iriscliction co nferrnd
upon i t by subsection (4)-
(a) u po n revi ewing any disciplinary act ion taken aga i ns t a
person p urs ua nt to sect io n 29 of the Public Service
Management and Employment Ac t 1988- 19 90, m ay-
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(i) in lieu of punishment im po sed by the di sc iplinary
authori ty concerned, substitute such other lawful
puni shmen t as the Industrial Commission considers
sho uld have been imposed;
or
(ii) remi t the matter 10 the di sci p li nary aut hority
concerned for further cons ideration with such
recommendations or di rections as it thinks fit;
(b ) by paragr aph (a) thereo f, upon ordering the
reinstatement of a person di sm is sed from the public
service, may determine the extent to wh ich the pe r son
should suffer loss of salary in respe ct of the pe riod
duri ng wh ich the person w as not an officer of the
pub li c se rvice by vi rtue of the dismissal.
(6) An appeal tribunal has 11 0 jurisdiction to hear and
determine a mauer that has been heard and determined by the
Indust ri al Commission.". (underlining is mine)
I h ave given consideration to th ese prov isio ns an d I am oi
the opinion that the prov ision relied upon by the Cr own, sect ion
5.9(3), does not overri de nor limit the Industrial Commission's
juri sd icti on i n so far as secti on 11.37 of the Industri al relati ons
Ac t is concerned as it wo uld appear that sec ti on 5 .9(3) is qua li fied
as being subject to subsec ti on (2) w hich appears to have been
dependent on the establi shment of a Cl ass i ficahon Rev i ew
Tribun al, sect ion 5.4.
Furthermore sect ion 5.9(4 ) and (5 ) in fact acknowledges the
powers and juri sd i ct ion of the Commission and is comp lementary
to the provi si on of section 5.1(b) an d section 5.9(6) an d limi ts the
role of a tri bu nal es tab lished under the PSM C Act.
In support of my finding aga in I rerer 10 the decision oi the
Presiden t in Jo nes v Pre miers Departm en t where Hi s Honou r finds
as fol lows: -
"lt is pe rtinent al so to note th at section 16.1 of the Industri al
relations Act 1990- 1991 d ea ls w ith application of the Act.
Subsection (1) of that section provi de s:--
" 16 .1 Application of Act to Crown. {1) This Act other
th an Part 14 binds the Crown, except i n reiarion lO -
(a) a matter (other than one of a descrip ti on referred to in
paragraph (b)) as to wh ich an Ac t, other than thi s Act,
prescribes a means by w hic h that matter must, or may,
be determined, and a determi nation of that matter has
been made by that means and is in iorce;
(b) a matter as to wh ich an Act, other than this Act,
prescri bes a process or procedure by wh ich to pursue
the matter and does no t al low fo r jur isd iction of the
In dustria l Court or Industri al Commi ss ion in respect of
the matter;
(c) a matter as lo which an Act, other than this ,'\et,
excludes the juri sdicti on of the industrial Court or
Industrial Commi ss ion or the appli cat ion of any
decision wi th in the meani ng or th is Act in respe ct oi th e
matter;". (Part 14 i s of no presen t rel eva nce).
The Ind us tri al Commission' s juri sd icti on in so fa r as sect i on
1·1.37 (then 11 . 11 J is concerned was expressed as fol lows by the
Pres ident i n the same ca se :-
"The Commission, i n my view, has power to consider
whether it is of the opinion co ntemp lated by section 11 .11 (1)
as founding the re m ed i es provided by th e section. I shoul d
mention that some of the issues canvassed on this appeal
may wel l ultimately be relevant in the exercise of the
Commi ss ion's jurisdicti on in forming the relevant opinion or
i ts determining to in tervene. Such questions do not arise at
this s1age .".(underlining m ine)
It therefore appears 10 me that the Comm iss i on ' s juri sd iction
wi ll not be exerci se d unt il such time as an op inion has been
fo rmed and i n th is matter that op inion cannot be formed unt il M r
Sm i th has been given the opportun ity to state his case and
the advocate for the Cr own has been given the op portunity to
respond.
It wo uld appear to me that the con tention of dism issa l and
rei ns t ate m en t in accordance w ith the provisions of section 11.3 7
of the Act h ave not been undertaken or exerci sed by the Fai r
Treatment Tribunal, as the process that has been made avail ab le
10 M r Sm i th i s one designed to ensure he is treated fairly.
The proce ss that has been m ade ava ilable 10 Mr Sm i th has
never considered whether his di sm i ssa l from rhe position of
Manage r, Executive Support Branch (AO8 ) was harsh, unfair or
unj ust. What the process has do ne in my op inion i s en sure fair
treatment after the dismissal took pl ace.
The matter that is before me as I understand it is that the
dismissal from the subs ta nt ive position, AO8, was harsh, un fair
an d unjust.
Therefore taking into consideration the pr ovi sions of the
statu te s referred to above and th e views expr essed by various
authoriti es, e.g., Duggan J. and the Pres ident, i t would appear that
the matter that is the subject of this application aught 10 be
permitted to proceed. I am further persuad ed to this direction in
view of the comments of Mr Pu ls, " that this matter should be
determined once and for al l "', as public time wh i ch engages cost
has b een expended to a significant degree on Mr Smith to thi s
poi nt in time.
ll wou ld appear that the form ing oi an opi nion c an only be
given credence i f the respec ti ve positions of the pa rti es are berore
the Ind ustrial Commission for i ts consideration. If any party is
deni ed the right to put its position the Industrial Commi ss ion
c an not come to a balanced and well i nformed opinion . Given
th ese consideratio ns it wou ld only be at least iai r to let th e
app li ca nt state a case and consider the respondents contentions,
th en having considered tho se conten tions, fo rm an opinion and
determine whe th er interven tion by the Industri al Commission is
warranted.
Ii the position i s as I have stated j ur i sd ic ti on would seem to
ex ist. It is th en a matter for the applica nt to demonstrate that the
ac1ions of the employer are or have been harsh, unfair or unj us t.
For the reasons exp ressed the chal l enge to j urisdic tion ma de
by the Crown is rejected. The matter w i l l be rel is ted at the
request of the applic an t.
In the context of this provision I was referred to sect i on 14A Order accordingly.
and B of Th e Acts lnterpretatio11 r\ct 1954- 1991 and to the
Min ister 's second r eading speech in respe ct of the lnduscriil l H. DEM PSEY, Commissioner.
Rela1ions Act '/ 990-1991. Th e ,\.1 inister is re corded as having
sa id:- Appe,1ra11ces: -
'The Commi ss ion·s powers wi ll be extended to give i i
greater control over the employment relationship between
the Cr own and i ts employees under the bil l before us . In
legi slative use we ha ve very much in mind that the
Government as an employer, shou ld be accountable to an
outside independent body as are priva te employer s. ' ."
In the ci rcumstances of that pa rticular case the Pres ident also
found as iollows :-
"The juri sd iction given by secti on 11. 11 of the lndL, st riai
Relations Acr 7990- - 1991 is founded on an op inion that in
ail the ci rcums ta nces the Appe llant should be reinstated or
re-e mp loyed. The Ju risdiction under sec ti on 11 . 11 is not
fo und ed on conditio ns oi employmen t ..
Ms K. Pr ior (i n st ructed by Rory S. Cunningh am ) for the applicant
and later M r C. Pu ls of The Associati on of Professional Engi neers,
Australia, Queensland Branch, Union of Employees, w ith him Mr
C. G. Smi th ror the applican t.
M r R. Rei l l y, w ith him Mr S. Beach and M r R. Kerr and later M r J.
Kimber, wit h him M r D. Wa l l ace and Mr R. Kerr for the
Department of Admi nistrative Servic es.
Operati ve Dare: NIA
Decision - Challange to jur isdiction reject ed .
Release d: 30 July 199 1
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