Aleksic v Commonwealth Bank of Australia [2012] QCAT 143
CITATION: Aleksic v Commonwealth Bank of Australia
[2012] QCAT 143
PARTIES: Dusanka Aleksic
(Applicant)
v
Commonwealth Bank of Australia
(Respondent)
APPLICATION NUMBER: ADL097-10
MATTER TYPE: Anti-discrimination matters
HEARING DATE: 19 March 2012
HEARD AT: Brisbane
DECISION OF: Michelle Howard, Member
DELIVERED ON: 29 March 2012
DELIVERED AT: Brisbane
ORDERS MADE: 1. The complaint is dismissed.
CATCHWORDS: ANTI-DISCRIMINATION – race discrimination –
where prior complaint to employer but allegation
relied upon not made at that time
Anti-Discrimination Act 1991, ss 7(g), 10, 11,
15, 133
APPEARANCES and REPRESENTATION (if any):
APPLICANT: Mr Ian Kennedy of McLaughlins, Lawyers
RESPONDENT: Ms Dominique Grigg of Counsel, instructed by
Gadens, Lawyers
REASONS FOR DECISION
[1] Ms Aleksic was employed by the Commonwealth Bank from January 2000
to August 2010 when she was retired on ill-health grounds. She has
made a complaint to the Anti-Discrimination Commission of Queensland
(ADCQ) under the Anti-Discrimination Act 1991 (the Act). The ADCQ
referred the complaint to the tribunal for determination in so far as the
complaint alleges that the Bank was vicariously liable for certain actions of
an employee, Michelle Patterson. Ms Aleksic alleges that Ms Patterson
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made a comment to her in October or November 2008, namely ‘speak
English you bloody wog’.
[2] Ms Aleksic claims that the incident has exacerbated her medical condition.
She seeks compensation for loss or damage caused, including for past
and future medical costs; an apology; an order requiring that the Bank
implement programs to eliminate unlawful discrimination; and interest on
any compensation awarded.
[3] The Bank denies any liability. It submits that the comment alleged was
not made; or in alternative, if the tribunal accepts that it was made, it
submits that the available evidence does not support a finding that Ms
Aleksic’s medical condition was caused or worsened by the incident, and
therefore, there is no basis for compensation to be awarded.
[4] For the sake of completeness, I note that Ms Aleksic sought to amend her
complaint after its referral from ADCQ to the tribunal to include other
complaints. However, that application was refused.1
[5] Under the Act, both direct2 and indirect3 discrimination are prohibited in
the area of work4 on the basis of attributes including race.5 An employer is
vicariously liable for actions of its employees done in the course of work
which contravene the Act unless it took reasonable steps to prevent the
contravention.6
The evidence
[6] Ms Aleksic provided a written statement to the tribunal and gave oral
evidence at the hearing. She also relied upon evidence given by Mr
Goran Radovic, and her husband, Mr Branislav Aleksic. The Bank relied
upon the written statements of Ms Tracy Ellen West and Ms Michelle
Patterson.
[7] Ms Aleksic asserts that a man, whom she now knows to be Mr Radovic
came into the branch of the Bank where she worked as a teller around
October or November 2008. She says he could see from her name tag
that her name appeared to be Serbian and he asked if he could speak to
her in Serbian. He explained to her that he was having difficulties
accessing monies in his account. Ms Aleksic says she discussed it with
him in the Serbian language, when Ms Patterson said loudly enough for
them both to hear, ‘speak English you bloody wog’. She says that she
was extremely embarrassed and Mr Radovic said he did not want to
cause her any trouble and left the branch.
1 Aleksic v Commonwealth Bank of Australia [2011] QCAT 342.
2 Section 10.
3 Section 11.
4 Section 15.
5 Section 7(g); schedule dictionary ‘race’.
6 Section 133.
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[8] She conceded that she had made numerous other direct complaints to the
Bank during her employment with it about her treatment by various
persons, including Ms Patterson, with which she provided copies of her
diary notes about the alleged incidents. However, she did not make
complaint about the incident which has now been referred to the tribunal
by the ADCQ; nor was it referred to in her diary notes for the relevant
period. She said this was because she thought that the complaint referred
to the tribunal by ADCQ was a more serious complaint and she was
scared about the ramifications for her employment.
[9] In a 12 page complaint document addressed to the Bank from Ms Aleksic
dated March 2009, which was tendered during the hearing, she makes an
allegation against another person whom she says called her a ‘bloody
wog’. This incident was alleged to have occurred some years earlier. In
that document addressed to the Bank, Ms Aleksic also makes allegations
against a variety of other persons who worked with her at various Gold
Coast branches of the Bank, including Ms Patterson.
[10] During her oral evidence, Ms Aleksic spoke about a person from ADCQ
having told her that a variety of her complaints were too long ago, and
asked her if there was anything that had occurred more recently. It was
apparently after this, that the allegation was made about Ms Patterson’s
comment to the ADCQ. At no time was this particular allegation made to
the Bank directly.
[11] Ms Aleksic acknowledges that she was diagnosed with depression in
about 2001. She also conceded that in 2006, she was diagnosed with
high levels of anxiety, although she asserted it was not severe in 2007.
Ms Aleksic further says that she was demoted and given no hope of
attaining the high position of which she was worthy. She says she left the
Bank depressed and broken.
[12] Ms Aleksic’s witness statement attaches a number of reports, including
reports from Dr Lotz, a psychiatrist, and Mr Dorey, a psychologist. Mr
Dorey summarises that in early 2007 Ms Aleksic was diagnosed with
major depressive illness, and later, it appears in 2007, with anxiety
disorder. Then in 2009, she was diagnosed with bipolar affective disorder.
Ms Aleksic stated that she had not seen this report, despite providing it
with her witness statement. Dr Lotz reports that her symptoms of
depression were severe by February 2007. None of the reports refers to
the incident which is the subject of the referral to the tribunal from ADCQ
and the effect of it on Ms Aleksic. Dr Lotz states in one report that Ms
Aleksic may exaggerate personal conflict in her workplace due to her
illness.
[13] Mr Radovic provided a written statement dated 14 February 2012.
Although a direction of the tribunal required any application for remote
attendance was required to be made 14 days before the hearing, oral
application was made at the commencement of the hearing for Mr Radovic
to give evidence by telephone. This course was opposed by the Bank, on
the basis that there is an issue of credit concerning Mr Radovic’s evidence
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and this will be more difficult to determine if he is not present. In the
interests of justice, I allowed Mr Radovic to give evidence by telephone.
[14] Mr Radovic asserted in his statement that in about August or September
2008, that he had a problem when his account had been blocked and he
could not access his money held in it. At the hearing he said the account
was blocked on 2 October, 2008. His statement says that he went to the
Broadbeach branch to ask what happened to the account, when he saw a
person whom he now knows to be Ms Aleksic, with a name badge,
“Dushka’ which made him think she may be from his country of
Montenegro. He says he approached her and asked to speak to her in his
language. Both of them could speak Serbian. He says he proceeded to
explain his problem when a female Bank employee across from them said,
‘speak English you bloody wogs’. He recalled her as a slim, young
woman with short blonde hair, whose name was ‘Michelle’.
[15] He says that he did not want to get ‘Dushka’ into trouble, and so after the
comment was made, he thanked her and left the Bank. In his written
statement, he asserts that he went to another branch and resolved the
problem with his account. Further, he says that a short time later, he met
Ms Aleksic at his church and she asked him whether he had fixed his
account problem.
[16] Mr Radovic conceded at the hearing that his statement was incorrect to
the extent that it said he resolved the issue with his account. His evidence
was to the effect that the account was blocked after he spoke with his
estranged wife. At the hearing, he told the tribunal that he had not
resolved the issue and had not been able to gain access to the funds
again at any time. He stated however that he went into many branches of
the Bank to seek to have the problem fixed.
[17] Mr Radovic also conceded that he had in 2009 provided a written
document, which was tendered in the proceedings, describing the alleged
incident, in which he also said he resolved the problem at another branch
and in which he did not name the person alleged to have made the
comment complained of in these proceedings. When questioned about
his failure to name the person in the earlier document, he denied that he
had later been told to name a particular person and said that he had
looked at her name badge at the time.
[18] He told the tribunal that subsequent to the incident at the Bank, he met the
Aleksics, although he was not sure of the date, at church, he thought in
winter in 2009.
[19] Although his more recent statement is more rather than less detailed than
the earlier one, when questioned about the events, Mr Radovic said that it
was now some four years since the events and that he could not recall
every detail.
[20] Mr Aleksic did not provide a written statement. He gave some brief oral
evidence about when he met Mr Radovic arising from an issue raised in
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the statement of Tracy West which had only recently been filed at the time
of the hearing.
[21] Ms West’s statement raises that Mr Aleksic and Mr Radovic worked for a
period, including at the time to incident was said to have occurred, for the
same bus company. Mr Radovic gave evidence that he came to
Queensland in 2006, and from that time also attended the same church
which the Aleksics attended. However, Mr Radovic and the Aleksics all
say that they did not know one another at the time the incident is alleged
to have occurred. The bus company, according to Mr Aleksic employed
some 800 to 1,000 employees. He said that he did not think it was
‘possible’ he had met Mr Radovic at church before the incident, but was
unable to give any basis for this assertion. Mr Radovic also said the bus
line was a ‘big’ company. Both Mr Aleksic and Mr Radovic said that they
did not attend church every Sunday.
[22] Ms Michelle Patterson, a customer service representative with the Bank,
denies making the comment alleged by Ms Aleksic and Mr Radovic. She
says that Ms Alecksic was treated the same as any other employee at the
Broadbeach branch of the Bank, by her and others at the branch. She
says persons of numerous ethnic backgrounds are on staff at the branch.
She says that she has long blonde hair, but conceded that she wears it to
work in a bun or a ponytail.
[23] Ms Tracy West is the Manager, Human Resources, Queensland region for
the Bank. Ms West investigated the complaints made by Ms Aleksic in
March 2009 about persons she had worked with at various branches of
the Bank at the Gold Coast. The complaint against Michelle Patterson
referred to the tribunal by the ADCQ was not included, although the
complaint was made some four or five months after the incident was
alleged to have occurred. Specifically, 11 other complaints were included
against various staff members at various branches where Ms Aleksic had
worked. One of the complaints was against Ms Patterson, but not the one
which is the subject of this referral to the tribunal.
[24] Ms West says that during a taped interview on 6 April 2009, she
specifically asked Ms Aleksic about any complaints she had about Ms
Patterson, but the alleged incident which is the subject of the ADCQ
referral to the tribunal was not raised by Ms Aleksic. According to the
copy of the transcript made by Ms West, Ms Aleksic said that Ms
Patterson was racist, but when asked why she thought that was so, she
said essentially that she had once caught Ms Patterson rolling her eyes
when she said she was from Serbia, but that Ms Patterson had not said
anything: Ms Aleksic just felt that she was racist.
[25] Ms West’s investigation concluded that all but one of the allegations was
unsubstantiated. The exception related to a complaint against Ms
McAlister, the then manager of the Broadbeach branch who accessed a
staff survey using Ms Aleksic’s login. Ms McAlister was dismissed as a
consequence of the incident. Ms West confirmed that a number of the
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staff in the branches whom she spoke with during the investigation were
from various ethnic backgrounds, including Ms Aleksic’s.
[26] While conceding that not every interaction with a customer is recorded in
the CommSee computer system used by the Bank, Ms West also gave
evidence that Mr Radovic’s account had not been accessed in CommSee
at any time in the second half of 2008, which would have been necessary
to investigate any issue raised about Mr Radovic’s account. However she
provided a copy of records showing that there was an interaction recorded
on CommSee on 29 April 2009 when the co-signatory on the account who
had placed the stop on it inquired about removing it.
[27] While conceding that Ms Aleksic was in the lowest position within the
Bank, she says that Ms Aleksic was not demoted.
Discussion and Decision
[28] Ms Aleksic and Mr Radovic say that they heard, respectively, Ms Michelle
Patterson or a young woman named ‘Michelle’ say the words, ‘speak
English you bloody wog’ or similar words when Mr Radovic came into the
branch in late 2008, and spoke with Ms Aleksic in Serbian. Ms Patterson
denies that she made the alleged comment. Ms Aleksic relies upon Mr
Radovic as independently corroborating her evidence.
[29] However, I have concerns about the reliability of Mr Radovic’s evidence.
It is of concern that Mr Radovic appears to have recently recalled more
detail about the incident, since his initial brief written statement about it in
2009. Also, he conceded that some parts of his statement prepared for
and filed in the tribunal more recently are inaccurate. Also in his recent
statement, he named the person who made the comment as ‘Michelle,’
and has now since the recent statement apparently recalled the date of
the alleged incident with some greater specificity. Given that the event,
which was very brief, is now over 3 years ago, increasingly greater recall
by Mr Radovic at this stage seems somewhat improbable. His comments
to the effect that the events are almost 4 years ago, and he cannot recall
all of the details are more realistic and at odds with the details recently
revealed by him.
[30] Although it is clear that not all interactions with a Bank client are recorded
in the CommSee computer system, Mr Radovic’s evidence was that he
went into many branches of the Bank to seek to have his problem fixed.
However, there is no record of any Bank officer having accessed his
records at his request in order to ascertain what the problem was. If he
had enquired on numerous occasions, as he says he did, it would
reasonably be expected that there would have been several occasions on
which Bank staff accessed his records in an effort to assist him. As there
are no such records, and the only CommSee record according to Bank
records relates to a co-signatory’s enquiry considerably later, it raises
doubt about whether Mr Radovic did seek assistance at the Bank
regarding the issue at all.
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[31] Mr Radovic and Mr Aleksic worked for the same bus company at the time
the incident is said to have occurred and Mr Radovic had regularly
attended the same church that the Aleksics attended, at that stage for
several years. Despite these apparent links between their lives when their
paths might reasonably be expected to cross, Mr Radovic and the
Aleksics all deny that they met until some time in 2009. This seems
inherently improbable to me. Even if I am wrong about that, on the basis
of the other issues discussed, I have concluded that his evidence should
be given no weight.
[32] Due to the inconsistencies in the detail contained in his statement as
opposed to the evidence given at hearing; the improbability of Mr
Radovic’s increasingly detailed recall about some aspects of the alleged
events; and the lack of any CommSee records to corroborate that he
made enquiries about his account; I consider Mr Radovic’s evidence
unreliable, and I have placed no weight on it.
[33] Instead, I have formed my conclusions based on the other available
evidence.
[34] The complaint was not at any time raised directly with the Bank. Ms
Aleksic did not refer to the comment having been made in her diary notes
for the period which she provided to the Bank with her complaint of March
2009. Nor did she raise it with the other complaints made at that time, or
later when Ms West interviewed Ms Aleksic while investigating the
complaints and specifically asked about complaints against Ms Patterson,
despite telling Ms West that she felt Ms Patterson was racist because she
felt it and that she had caught Ms Patterson rolling her eyes when Ms
Aleksic said she was Serbian.
[35] Ms Aleksic says that she did not raise it because she saw it as being a
more serious complaint than the others she made and she was concerned
about the ramifications for her employment. Despite her stated concerns,
Ms Aleksic was prepared to make allegations to Ms West that Ms
Patterson was racist on other bases.
[36] Ms Aleksic also made submissions that it was reasonable for the
complaint not to have been made at the time, because it related to events
in the branch in which she continued to work, whereas the other similar
complaint made by her related to an employee with whom she no longer
worked. However given that she did nevertheless make other complaints
in that lengthy complaint document of March 2009 about Ms Patterson
and Ms McAlister both of whom worked in the branch, and, in particular,
made allegations to Ms West in interview that Ms Patterson was racist,
this submission is not compelling.
[37] Ms Aleksic herself concedes that she made the allegations which are the
subject of the referral from the ADCQ only after the ADCQ told her that the
complaints she was raising were too old.
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[38] Ms Aleksic submits that the tribunal is entitled to take into account in its
overall assessment of the evidence the substantiated complaint against
Ms McAlister. She says that this demonstrates that the allegations made
in the complaint are not entirely isolated from other conflict. However,
conflict of itself does not constitute discrimination, and so I do not consider
this a compelling argument.
[39] The absence of any reference to the alleged incident in the more
contemporaneously prepared documentary evidence, including the March
2009 complaint to the Bank, the diary notes of Ms Aleksic, and the
transcript of the interview between Ms Aleksic and Ms West, all suggest
that at the time of the investigation by Ms West, no such comment as
alleged had been made by Ms Patterson.
[40] I am not satisfied on the balance of probabilities that the comment as
alleged by Ms Aleksic was made by Ms Patterson. It follows that I do not
accept that there has been a breach of the Act for which the Bank could
be vicariously liable.
[41] The complaint is dismissed.
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Official source: https://www.sclqld.org.au/caselaw/QCAT/2012/143